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Things that invalidate your insurance

I wouldn't have thought about updating details after changing jobs. Hopefully relevant this year.

Another I always wonder about and have mentioned before is parking your vehicle in the wrong direction when left on the road overnight. If your reflectors aren't visible and someone slams into you, will they pay out?
 
I personally think anyone that drives in flip flops should be fined, I have tried it once for just half a mile and it felt very dangerous. The same goes for things hanging from the rear view mirror.
 
Amazing what bollocks gets regurgitated by the media. Lazy journalism that is little more that re-writing press releases and stories 'offered' by PR agencies.

Articles about 'various things 'invalidating your car insurance' crop up regularly, usually to fill gaps during the silly season when the newspapers are even more desperate for any old garbage to fill their pages. They invariably refer to a 'survey' done by... wait for it, an insurance company.

I'm not legally qualified but I am confident that no insurer can reasonably withhold payment of claim for circumstances not relevant to the actual claim, or except where the policyholder has made representations that can be judged deliberately fraudulent or reckless. The Financial Ombudsman will not find in the insurer's favour in refusing a claim if they believe the customer made an honest mistake.

In the case of motor insurance, here is what looks like a good summary, from the Honest John website:
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/insurance-disclosure/

Aside from that, driving in flip-flops on a public road sounds to me pretty stupid. And, IMO, anyone in the business of making deliberate misrepresentations to their insurer probably does deserve to have their claims refused: why should honest people subsidise that through higher premiums?
 
I didn't realise if you take your van or car for an mot if it fails it is illegal to drive on the road even if the original mot has a month to run.
 
I didn't realise if you take your van or car for an mot if it fails it is illegal to drive on the road even if the original mot has a month to run.

I think that this is only true if it is unroadworthy. According to this page you can drive away from an MOT test if you failed, but your old certificate is still valid: https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/after-the-test

If your vehicle is unroadworthy, it's illegal to drive it whether you have been to have an MOT test or not. That's why you can be fined for having no brake lights, even if you have a valid MOT certificate.

[Edit to add link]

This page is also pretty informative: https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q600.htm
 
I didn't realise if you take your van or car for an mot if it fails it is illegal to drive on the road even if the original mot has a month to run.

As I understand it, it's not an offence to drive an MOT-failed vehicle if it's still covered by an earlier certificate - unless the vehicle failed the test on a matter of basic roadworthiness (which of course may often be the case). Obviously you'd be very unwise to drive a vehicle if you know it isn't roadworthy, at any time.

Nevertheless (back on the original subject of this thread) not having an MOT certificate cannot of itself necessarily invalidate your insurance. Indeed, third-party indemnity will always apply regardless. And unless a known vehicle defect was material (eg the vehicle failed the MOT on brakes, and brake failure then caused or contributed to the accident), it's very unlikely an insurer will be able to withhold your claim for your own damages.
 
It only says you can take it away if it is still mot'd but not use it if it fails an mot it is unroadworthy at the time of the test
 
It only says you can take it away if it is still mot'd but not use it if it fails an mot it is unroadworthy at the time of the test

My understanding (perhaps someone legally qualified can check) is that we would be talking here about two different potential offences.

Driving with a known defect is the more serious offence, and is endorseable. Driving a roadworthy vehicle but without a valid MOT certificate is a different (and non-endorseable) offence.

I would imagine - but only imagine - the following scenario. You book your car in one month early and it fails MOT due solely to a defective tyre. Rather than re-book the test, for some reason, you just replaced the tyre and carried on driving for the rest of the month.

In that situation I don't believe either of the above offences would arise - until of course your 'old' MOT certificate runs out, and then you would be driving without a certificate.

I don't suggest putting that to the test. ;)
 
Anything that sits within the sweep of the drivers wiper could be deemed as restricting the drivers view and therefore an offence. So even a badly sited satnav could an offence.
 
Anything that sits within the sweep of the drivers wiper could be deemed as restricting the drivers view and therefore an offence. So even a badly sited satnav could an offence.
I believe this is true. We had a car fail its MOT due to the plastic display pocket for the work car pass! It was after the road tax disk stopped and they said that two pockets restricted our view!!
 
As a Cali-driver, pedestrian, cyclist, parent & intermittent motorcyclist the 'restriction of view' in windscreens should be made a flogging offence.

One of my neighbours slapped her residents parking permit about half-way up the nearside A-pillar about 8" in - eg: exactly where your hand comes to rest when the passenger window is down. I often see Sat Navs and massive mobile phones suckered to the windscreen directly in the drivers eyeline like they're a Top Gun pilot on a bombing run - I'm sure these people think they're being proactively safer.

Do people not realise they're doing it? Or is it everyone elses responsibility to make sure these eejits have seen them? Same goes for leis, hang it in the back ffs.
 
I was in a friend's T5 and he had a big leis hanging from rear view mirror, it was lethal as it blocked out a good 25% of the windscreen. The wife bought one for our van but it only ever goes up if stationary. I can't see the point in them Tbh. Maybe if I was driving a splitty though Hawwaii but not a T5 going through Luton!!
 
Thank you for this post. Whilst a lot of it is newspaper waffle it is also one good reminder how much stuff could, in unforeseen circumstances, bounce back and bite one's posterior :(

Jen, as a fully paid-up pedant I find it even more infuriating than most of us when journalists set out deliberately to frighten people, without foundation. Either to sell papers or, worse, by telling lies to promote associated services from which they profit.

Eg, a couple of months ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/financia...t-mot-or-road-tax--your-car-may-be-uninsured/
... which says in its opening paragraph: "If you forget to renew your car tax or if your car doesn’t have a valid MOT, then, in the majority of circumstances, you won’t be insured and thereby exposed to penalty fines."

This is garbage. As has been discussed above, not having an MOT certificate is not, of itself, material to the settlement of an accident claim and there is no question of being "fined" for not having insurance on those supposed grounds. If your car was written off, the insurer would however probably have grounds for reducing the settlement value of the car by a reasonable percentage because it was worth less at that point without an MOT.

It's even more rubbish that a motor insurance policy could be invalidated by not having the car taxed. Not having tax could not contribute to an accident, so it's simply not possible for it to be a material breach in respect of a claim.

If an insurer did try it on re the above, a simple letter from a solicitor or even oneself would put them back in their box; and the Insurance Ombudsman would certainly rule in the insured's favour.

Back into Pedants' Corner for me now. :rolleyes:
 
Jen, as a fully paid-up pedant I find it even more infuriating than most of us when journalists set out deliberately to frighten people, without foundation. Either to sell papers or, worse, by telling lies to promote associated services from which they profit.

Eg, a couple of months ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/financia...t-mot-or-road-tax--your-car-may-be-uninsured/
... which says in its opening paragraph: "If you forget to renew your car tax or if your car doesn’t have a valid MOT, then, in the majority of circumstances, you won’t be insured and thereby exposed to penalty fines."

This is garbage. As has been discussed above, not having an MOT certificate is not, of itself, material to the settlement of an accident claim and there is no question of being "fined" for not having insurance on those supposed grounds. If your car was written off, the insurer would however probably have grounds for reducing the settlement value of the car by a reasonable percentage because it was worth less at that point without an MOT.

It's even more rubbish that a motor insurance policy could be invalidated by not having the car taxed. Not having tax could not contribute to an accident, so it's simply not possible for it to be a material breach in respect of a claim.

If an insurer did try it on re the above, a simple letter from a solicitor or even oneself would put them back in their box; and the Insurance Ombudsman would certainly rule in the insured's favour.

Back into Pedants' Corner for me now. :rolleyes:

Please carry on being a pedant :D

You never cease to capture my imagination and at times admiration.

I am just a little bit jaundiced, I have just, last three weeks, won a claim, on behalf of my son, against a US life insurance company that tried every possible way to invalidate the claim for his partners death, for goodness sake only $10k payout, and it has taken me the best part of a year to achieve it.

Now, with my Sister Jo ill, claiming on our health insurance is a minefield. I have no doubt that should Albert ever be involved in a prang that I will again find myself pitted against what I see as no more than sharp-suited snake-oil salesmen and willing to read anything, garbage or not, that gives me that "pre-warned" feeling.
 
Jen, I'm afraid I share your cynicism about many, not all, dimensions of the insurance industry although unlike you, thank God, I've never come up against the rough end of it in such a ghastly way.

The original principle of pooled risk for shared benefit seems to get forgotten and has turned itself into a gigantic machine geared towards flogging us its insurance 'products' whether we need them or not, in large part by scaring us about the risks of everyday life.

Unfortunately at the same time we also know that a lot of people now think it's okay to make fraudulent insurance claims, whether those are for 'whiplash' in a road collision or for 'food poisoning' in their Turkish beach hotel. It's a sad state of affairs.

(On re-reading my posts, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone personally who works in insurance - or journalism - that definitely wasn't my intention.)
 
Jen, I'm afraid I share your cynicism about many, not all, dimensions of the insurance industry although unlike you, thank God, I've never come up against the rough end of it in such a ghastly way.

The original principle of pooled risk for shared benefit seems to get forgotten and has turned itself into a gigantic machine geared towards flogging us its insurance 'products' whether we need them or not, in large part by scaring us about the risks of everyday life.

Unfortunately at the same time we also know that a lot of people now think it's okay to make fraudulent insurance claims, whether those are for 'whiplash' in a road collision or for 'food poisoning' in their Turkish beach hotel. It's a sad state of affairs.

(On re-reading my posts, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone personally who works in insurance - or journalism - that definitely wasn't my intention.)

You've definitely not offended me. I specialise in insurance for psychologists, counsellors, psychotherapists and coaches and have been an insurance broker all my working life.
 
Jen, as a fully paid-up pedant I find it even more infuriating than most of us when journalists set out deliberately to frighten people, without foundation. Either to sell papers or, worse, by telling lies to promote associated services from which they profit.

Eg, a couple of months ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/financia...t-mot-or-road-tax--your-car-may-be-uninsured/
... which says in its opening paragraph: "If you forget to renew your car tax or if your car doesn’t have a valid MOT, then, in the majority of circumstances, you won’t be insured and thereby exposed to penalty fines."

This is garbage. As has been discussed above, not having an MOT certificate is not, of itself, material to the settlement of an accident claim and there is no question of being "fined" for not having insurance on those supposed grounds. If your car was written off, the insurer would however probably have grounds for reducing the settlement value of the car by a reasonable percentage because it was worth less at that point without an MOT.

It's even more rubbish that a motor insurance policy could be invalidated by not having the car taxed. Not having tax could not contribute to an accident, so it's simply not possible for it to be a material breach in respect of a claim.

If an insurer did try it on re the above, a simple letter from a solicitor or even oneself would put them back in their box; and the Insurance Ombudsman would certainly rule in the insured's favour.

Back into Pedants' Corner for me now. :rolleyes:
I'm not so sure about the Road Tax bit. If not taxed then should not be on the Public Highway. So Insurance would still be valid for Fire and Theft and possibly 3rd Party, but your claim?
 
I'm not so sure about the Road Tax bit. If not taxed then should not be on the Public Highway. So Insurance would still be valid for Fire and Theft and possibly 3rd Party, but your claim?

No, quite so, it indeed shouldn't be on a public highway but that is a tax matter and couldn't conceivably cause an accident. Insurers are not entitled to refuse a claim simply because you have broken some law or other, eg a house insurer couldn't refuse your claim following a burglary just because you were in arrears on your council tax.

Whatever they may say in their terms of business, insurers are only entitled to disallow a claim for reasons that are material to the risk. This is I believe covered under the FSA's Insurance Conduct of Business rules (ICOB) although I haven't deep-dived into that and someone on this forum with more specific knowledge may know.
 
An insurance lawyer told me this week that of motor insurance claims that have a personal injury element, 90% of those injury claims are for whiplash (volume, not value).
 
An insurance lawyer told me this week that of motor insurance claims that have a personal injury element, 90% of those injury claims are for whiplash (volume, not value).

That's an appalling statistic. One of the worst manifestations of the 'compensation culture'. I read that in Germany and France a much higher level of medical evidence is needed to make a whiplash claim for a low speed collision, and hence only a very small number of such claims are made.

I had a stiff neck once after a karting accident. I was fine a couple of days later.

I don't know what's worse, the drivers who think they deserve a wad of cash for a slightly hurty neck (or for nothing at all actually), or the claims management companies that advertise aggressively to encourage people to make fraudulent claims.

But the insurance companies also have to take a big responsibility for creating this. Until banned by law a few years ago, a dirty little secret was that even the biggest insurers regularly took commissions for passing motorists' details on to ambulance-chasing firms regardless of whether an actual injury was known to have happened.
 
I suppose I had better nail my colours to the mast, before I make a comment here. I was a police traffic officer and collision investigator for 30 years I am also a qualified vehicle engineer. After my police service, I spent over 10 years in the insurance fraud industry. Before I retired completely last year, I was recognised for many years as an expert witness in both the criminal and civil court systems.

I will start by saying that insurance companies are in business to provide cover to the paying customer based upon the notified risk. If the risk has been properly declared and the terms of the contract are honourable, then they will happily indemnify the insured in accordance with the terms of that contract.

Unfortunately, the 'claims culture' fuelled by certain sections of society has placed a huge burden upon insurers and the thousands of honest people who pay their premiums year in year out. Policy premiums in all areas of insurance cover have increased massively (and will continue to do so) to offset the cost of fraudulent and/or exaggerated claims.

This behaviour has created a whole sub industry based upon false, exaggerated or fraudulent insurance claims. It is not just confined to the motor insurance section. You will probably have read recently that attention has been turned to those who are making false claims on holiday insurance.

The rewards for those promoting and organising such claims are significant, but the risk to them is relatively low. It the vast majority of cases, it is the claimant who is taking the risk.

As far as motor insurance cover goes, once a policy is issued and until such a time as it expires or is otherwise revoked, the insurers have to honour the terms of the policy in respect of any genuine third party claims. However, this does not always extend to the policyholder or loss to the insured vehicle.

If the insurance company believes (on a balance of probability) that the terms of the original policy were not met by the insured, then it is highly likely that they will refuse to pay out for any losses relating to the policyholder or the insured vehicle. They may also seek to recover losses paid out to any third party claimant.

General insurance policy terms are that the insured vehicle should be maintained in a roadworthy condition at all times during the term of the insurance and that it was being used legally at the time of the claim.

This means that the driver is authorised and licensed to use the vehicle. The vehicle must be roadworthy, have a valid MOT and have a current Vehicle Excise License.

It should be noted that an MOT is not a certificate to prove that the vehicle is roadworthy.

Road traffic legislation is complicated and it is based upon EU directives that are underpinned by the national laws of each member state. In the UK, this is largely covered by the Road Traffic Act, The Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations and the Road Vehicles (Lighting Regulations). The Highway Code is a road users guide to good behaviour it is not law. However, courts often refer to the Highway Code when applying the burden of responsibility that might apply to a particular road user.

The issue of an insurance policy will also assume that you have been truthful with the insurance company when you took the policy out. This burden lies solely with the person taking out the policy. You should always remember that the contract of insurance is between the policyholder and the insurance company.

Any misleading declaration, omission, or a failure to notify them of a material alteration to the risk, can invalidate the terms of the policy.

Insurance brokers and accident claims management companies are advisors only. They are not responsible for submitting accurate information to the insurers, YOU ARE!

So telling porkies about that speeding endorsement you got last year, or the fact that you have had the vehicle chipped to produce more bhp is a big no no.

A lot of insurers also take exception to any after market alterations that might make the vehicle more attractive to a thief, or otherwise alter the manufacturers specification.

Believe it or not, this can even extend to the type and wording of any sticker you might place in the vehicle. Parking your pride and joy in Liverpool with a Manchester United sticker in the rear window is just asking for trouble!

If the broker or accident management company says, 'No need to mention that wink wink', should have your alarm bells ringing.

As far as injury claims go, this is more complicated, but understand that the insurance company has the right to demand medical examinations by it's own doctors to assess your injuries. You can of course refuse, but that would be up to you!

The vehicle must also have been 'fit for purpose' at the material time the claim arose. (What this means is that the vehicle was not being used for an unsuitable purpose) eg carrying more people that it is designed to accommodate, overloading etc. This also means that seat belts and other appropriate restraints must be available for use by all occupants of the vehicle.

If you are prosecuted for an offence relating to the vehicles use at the time of the claim, then the insurers will consider those circumstances as evidence when considering the validity of your claim.

Even if you are not prosecuted, the insurers or police (serious collision) are highly likely to have your vehicle examined by a qualified engineering assessor to establish damage and it's pre collision roadworthiness. A copy of those assessments will be made available to any of the insurers involved in the matter.

Now here's the scary bit!

If the insurers believe (on a balance of probability) that you have failed to comply with any of the terms of the policy and/or that your claim might be either exaggerated or fraudulent, then have the following options.

Refuse to honour your first party claim.
Pursue you for any third party losses they have incurred.
Take civil proceedings against you for insurance fraud.
Report you to the police for criminal fraud.

Believe me, the criminal fraud option would be the least of your worries. if they think you have tried to pull a fast one and they decide to make an example of you to deter others, they may take action against you for making a fraudulent claim and they will spare no expense to defend their position. If they win and particularly if your claim is found to be fraudulent, then the cost to you can be staggering.

If you are unfortunate enough to have to make a claim, then by all means do so, but be absolutely honest with your insurers. Above all, never ever allow anyone to encourage you to make any false or exaggerated claim no matter how insignificant or well intentioned it might appear.

One of the biggest problems is that people automatically think they are entitled to a replacement vehicle if theirs is off the road. This is not always the case. Many claims management companies encourage these claims because they make a fortune out of vehicle leasing. The small print in the contract usually has a clause that make you responsible for all unpaid lease charges.

It is not unusual for lease claims to run into tens of thousands of pounds. I have dealt with many claims where lease hire costs alone were over £100,000.

CHECK ANY LEASE HIRE CONTRACT WITH A FINE TOOTHED COMB!

You as a claimant are responsible for making sure that your claim is reasonable and that you have mitigated losses to the insurance company as far as reasonably possible.

Example:
You are generally entitled to a suitable replacement vehicle if you don't have ready access to an alternative, or if temporary repairs cannot be made to your vehicle.

If you have ready access to use another vehicle that you either own or can borrow whilst yours is being repaired, then insurers might refuse to pay for a lease car. This is because you may not have suffered a material or financial loss.

Cosmetic damage is not a reason to declare a vehicle as unfit for use and the insurers are within their rights to authorise a temporary repair to make your vehicle roadworthy.

The choice as to whether a lease car is provided lies with the insurance company, not with you. If you disagree with their decision then you can appeal.

Be very careful if you take out a lease car without first checking with the insurers because in the vast majority of cases, you will be liable for part or all of those charges if your claim is not upheld.

In essence, the whole system is an absolute minefield where people are badly advised by people who probably have a financial interest in the claim.

Ultimately, the buck stops with you as the policyholder and/or claimant for the honesty of your claim. If it goes pear shaped, you will be shocked at how fast your 'advisors' leave you to carry the can.

Costs amounting to well over £150,000 for a simple low consequence collision are not unusual, to an insurance company this is just part of the risk, what is it to you?

The last case I dealt with at Manchester civil court involved a relatively minor shunt in a supermarket car park. The insurers alleged fraud against the claimant(s) and won their case. The judge awarded all costs which came to over £178,000 against the claimant and ordered a sequestration order on his assets along with a demand for a 28 day payment of £28,000.

Have a nice day and drive carefully!

ChrisB
 
I suppose I had better nail my colours to the mast, before I make a comment here. I was a police traffic officer and collision investigator for 30 years I am also a qualified vehicle engineer. After my police service, I spent over 10 years in the insurance fraud industry. Before I retired completely last year, I was recognised for many years as an expert witness in both the criminal and civil court systems.

I will start by saying that insurance companies are in business to provide cover to the paying customer based upon the notified risk. If the risk has been properly declared and the terms of the contract are honourable, then they will happily indemnify the insured in accordance with the terms of that contract.

Unfortunately, the 'claims culture' fuelled by certain sections of society has placed a huge burden upon insurers and the thousands of honest people who pay their premiums year in year out. Policy premiums in all areas of insurance cover have increased massively (and will continue to do so) to offset the cost of fraudulent and/or exaggerated claims.

This behaviour has created a whole sub industry based upon false, exaggerated or fraudulent insurance claims. It is not just confined to the motor insurance section. You will probably have read recently that attention has been turned to those who are making false claims on holiday insurance.

The rewards for those promoting and organising such claims are significant, but the risk to them is relatively low. It the vast majority of cases, it is the claimant who is taking the risk.

As far as motor insurance cover goes, once a policy is issued and until such a time as it expires or is otherwise revoked, the insurers have to honour the terms of the policy in respect of any genuine third party claims. However, this does not always extend to the policyholder or loss to the insured vehicle.

If the insurance company believes (on a balance of probability) that the terms of the original policy were not met by the insured, then it is highly likely that they will refuse to pay out for any losses relating to the policyholder or the insured vehicle. They may also seek to recover losses paid out to any third party claimant.

General insurance policy terms are that the insured vehicle should be maintained in a roadworthy condition at all times during the term of the insurance and that it was being used legally at the time of the claim.

This means that the driver is authorised and licensed to use the vehicle. The vehicle must be roadworthy, have a valid MOT and have a current Vehicle Excise License.

It should be noted that an MOT is not a certificate to prove that the vehicle is roadworthy.

Road traffic legislation is complicated and it is based upon EU directives that are underpinned by the national laws of each member state. In the UK, this is largely covered by the Road Traffic Act, The Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations and the Road Vehicles (Lighting Regulations). The Highway Code is a road users guide to good behaviour it is not law. However, courts often refer to the Highway Code when applying the burden of responsibility that might apply to a particular road user.

The issue of an insurance policy will also assume that you have been truthful with the insurance company when you took the policy out. This burden lies solely with the person taking out the policy. You should always remember that the contract of insurance is between the policyholder and the insurance company.

Any misleading declaration, omission, or a failure to notify them of a material alteration to the risk, can invalidate the terms of the policy.

Insurance brokers and accident claims management companies are advisors only. They are not responsible for submitting accurate information to the insurers, YOU ARE!

So telling porkies about that speeding endorsement you got last year, or the fact that you have had the vehicle chipped to produce more bhp is a big no no.

A lot of insurers also take exception to any after market alterations that might make the vehicle more attractive to a thief, or otherwise alter the manufacturers specification.

Believe it or not, this can even extend to the type and wording of any sticker you might place in the vehicle. Parking your pride and joy in Liverpool with a Manchester United sticker in the rear window is just asking for trouble!

If the broker or accident management company says, 'No need to mention that wink wink', should have your alarm bells ringing.

As far as injury claims go, this is more complicated, but understand that the insurance company has the right to demand medical examinations by it's own doctors to assess your injuries. You can of course refuse, but that would be up to you!

The vehicle must also have been 'fit for purpose' at the material time the claim arose. (What this means is that the vehicle was not being used for an unsuitable purpose) eg carrying more people that it is designed to accommodate, overloading etc. This also means that seat belts and other appropriate restraints must be available for use by all occupants of the vehicle.

If you are prosecuted for an offence relating to the vehicles use at the time of the claim, then the insurers will consider those circumstances as evidence when considering the validity of your claim.

Even if you are not prosecuted, the insurers or police (serious collision) are highly likely to have your vehicle examined by a qualified engineering assessor to establish damage and it's pre collision roadworthiness. A copy of those assessments will be made available to any of the insurers involved in the matter.

Now here's the scary bit!

If the insurers believe (on a balance of probability) that you have failed to comply with any of the terms of the policy and/or that your claim might be either exaggerated or fraudulent, then have the following options.

Refuse to honour your first party claim.
Pursue you for any third party losses they have incurred.
Take civil proceedings against you for insurance fraud.
Report you to the police for criminal fraud.

Believe me, the criminal fraud option would be the least of your worries. if they think you have tried to pull a fast one and they decide to make an example of you to deter others, they may take action against you for making a fraudulent claim and they will spare no expense to defend their position. If they win and particularly if your claim is found to be fraudulent, then the cost to you can be staggering.

If you are unfortunate enough to have to make a claim, then by all means do so, but be absolutely honest with your insurers. Above all, never ever allow anyone to encourage you to make any false or exaggerated claim no matter how insignificant or well intentioned it might appear.

One of the biggest problems is that people automatically think they are entitled to a replacement vehicle if theirs is off the road. This is not always the case. Many claims management companies encourage these claims because they make a fortune out of vehicle leasing. The small print in the contract usually has a clause that make you responsible for all unpaid lease charges.

It is not unusual for lease claims to run into tens of thousands of pounds. I have dealt with many claims where lease hire costs alone were over £100,000.

CHECK ANY LEASE HIRE CONTRACT WITH A FINE TOOTHED COMB!

You as a claimant are responsible for making sure that your claim is reasonable and that you have mitigated losses to the insurance company as far as reasonably possible.

Example:
You are generally entitled to a suitable replacement vehicle if you don't have ready access to an alternative, or if temporary repairs cannot be made to your vehicle.

If you have ready access to use another vehicle that you either own or can borrow whilst yours is being repaired, then insurers might refuse to pay for a lease car. This is because you may not have suffered a material or financial loss.

Cosmetic damage is not a reason to declare a vehicle as unfit for use and the insurers are within their rights to authorise a temporary repair to make your vehicle roadworthy.

The choice as to whether a lease car is provided lies with the insurance company, not with you. If you disagree with their decision then you can appeal.

Be very careful if you take out a lease car without first checking with the insurers because in the vast majority of cases, you will be liable for part or all of those charges if your claim is not upheld.

In essence, the whole system is an absolute minefield where people are badly advised by people who probably have a financial interest in the claim.

Ultimately, the buck stops with you as the policyholder and/or claimant for the honesty of your claim. If it goes pear shaped, you will be shocked at how fast your 'advisors' leave you to carry the can.

Costs amounting to well over £150,000 for a simple low consequence collision are not unusual, to an insurance company this is just part of the risk, what is it to you?

The last case I dealt with at Manchester civil court involved a relatively minor shunt in a supermarket car park. The insurers alleged fraud against the claimant(s) and won their case. The judge awarded all costs which came to over £178,000 against the claimant and ordered a sequestration order on his assets along with a demand for a 28 day payment of £28,000.

Have a nice day and drive carefully!

ChrisB
Very comprehensive

Your last case sounds like a staged shunt but CCTV disproved it.

In brief disclose everything, act in good faith and don't try to be a smart ass.


Mike
 
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