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What is bad driving?

Which of these motoring habits irritate you the most? (Choose up to 3)

  • Permanent occupation of the outside lane on the motorway because the speedo says 70

  • Sitting in the outer lane of a dual cariageway at 60 because it's an A road

  • Slowing down to a crawl at roundabouts when nobody is coming

  • Slowing down to a crawl at a green light because it may change to red

  • Leaving a 100m gap in front in a queue of crawling traffic

  • Nudging 1m from cones into merging traffic that had already politely merged 200m back

  • Pulling out from a junction in front of traffic, when there is a large gap further back

  • Slowing down on a main road to wave someone out when there is nobody behind

  • Reducing speed to 5 MPH because the scene of the accident causing the jam is too interesting to miss

  • Stopping on the hard shoulder for a wee or to get a twix from the boot


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SamSara

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Scenario.
Motorway. You can travel at 70 in the inner lane. Cars are whistling pass in the outer lane in excess of 70 mph.
You come across a vehicle in the Middle lane doing 60.
Question. Do you continue at 70 thus undertaking the vehicle or do you cross to the outer lane overtake then pull back into the inner lane?
Unfortunately you have to move to the outside lane to get past them. Only in slow traffic where all the lanes are going at a similar speed can you pass on the near side. It’s a pain and giving them a good stare is rewarding but it is a safety issue. Do not grumpily tailgate them either. If you are on a dual carriageway either slow down so you are just behind them on their inside so that they can pull in or go to the outside and go even slower. If it happenss to be the A27 stay in the inside because a roundabout will come along and you can pass on there inside when the white lines change
 
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Unfortunately you have to move to the outside lane to get past them. Only in slow traffic where all the lanes are going at a similar speed can you pass on the near side. It’s a pain and giving them a good stare is rewarding but it is a safety issue. Do not grumpily tailgate them either. If you are on a dual carriageway either slow down so you are just behind them on their inside so that they can pull in or go to the outside and go even slower. If it happenss to be the A27 stay in the inside because a roundabout will come along and you can pass on there inside when the white lines change
There is no Legal Requirement to pass on the inside. It all depends on if the manoeuvre can be carried out safely. In the scenario I quoted it could be safer passing on the inside than cutting across lanes into a lane with faster moving traffic.
It works OK in Australia and the States.
 
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There is no Legal Requirement to pass on the inside. It all depends on if the manoeuvre can be carried out safely. In the scenario I quoted it could be safer passing on the inside than cutting across lanes into a lane with faster moving traffic.
It works OK in Australia and the States.
 
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Yes, not listed as an enforceable offence on its own, but undertaking can be careless- reckless driving. If you work as a motorway cop in the force area covered go ahead and undertake: otherwise take a breath and think of the fuel you are saving
 
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Yes, not listed as an enforceable offence on its own, but undertaking can be careless- reckless driving. If you work as a motorway cop in the force area covered go ahead and undertake: otherwise take a breath and think of the fuel you are saving
Exactly, risk assessment and fuel efficiency would indicate that in that scenario undertaking wins on both counts if carried out safely.
 
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There is no Legal Requirement to pass on the inside. It all depends on if the manoeuvre can be carried out safely. In the scenario I quoted it could be safer passing on the inside than cutting across lanes into a lane with faster moving traffic.
It works OK in Australia and the States.
See 267 - “Overtake only on the right.”
https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/overtaking.html
 
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See 267 - “Overtake only on the right.”
https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/overtaking.html
That is ADVICE, there is NO Law on the Statute book that prohibits overtaking on the Left.
Instead the Laws relating to Dangerous Driving or Driving without Due Care and Attention could be used if the manoeuvre was carried out in an unsafe manner, but that would be upto the police and ultimately the court to decide.
 
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That is ADVICE, there is NO Law on the Statute book that prohibits overtaking on the Left.
Instead the Laws relating to Dangerous Driving or Driving without Due Care and Attention could be used if the manoeuvre was carried out in an unsafe manner, but that would be upto the police and ultimately
In my youth I received 3 points and a £60 fine for undertaking. I was being followed by a police Range Rover and did precisely as above - continued in the inside lane past perhaps 3 cars in the middle lane. I wasn’t speeding and the cop said it was dangerous because drivers in the middle lane may not check their near side mirror as diligently when moving over. He showed me doing it on his dash cam and asked if I disputed it. Perhaps I should have - I just coughed up and had a nervous few months with 9 points.
So it is semantics whether it is advice or law if the police (still) think it unsafe. My incident was in 1992. I notice a significant increase in numbers of people doing it in 2022 - I wonder if the police can be arsed these days.
(The Cali ACC prevents you undertaking)
 
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In my youth I received 3 points and a £60 fine for undertaking. I was being followed by a police Range Rover and did precisely as above - continued in the inside lane past perhaps 3 cars in the middle lane. I wasn’t speeding and the cop said it was dangerous because drivers in the middle lane may not check their near side mirror as diligently when moving over. He showed me doing it on his dash cam and asked if I disputed it. Perhaps I should have - I just coughed up and had a nervous few months with 9 points.
So it is semantics whether it is advice or law if the police (still) think it unsafe. My incident was in 1992. I notice a significant increase in numbers of people doing it in 2022 - I wonder if the police can be arsed these days.
(The Cali ACC prevents you undertaking)
I’m sure they had a point, but that wasn’t the Scenario I described.

I was done back during the time of the 3 day week / power cuts for using fog lights in conditions other than fog or falling snow. It was 3am, the whole of Exeter was in total darkness, no street lights, nothing.
I argued that in an environment built for street lights and illuminated signs, it was safer to drive with fog lights on and dipped beam on. They agreed.
 
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The law isn’t actually strict on this. A straightforward undertake when traffic is flowing freely is not permitted but you can if the other outside lanes are going slower than the inside lane. It can happen quite easily in traffic jams.
 
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