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I’m watching this thread with interest, Every year for as long as I can remember, I’ve intended to do dinghy sailing course, 2020 I actually had one booked.

This might just spur me on to get it done this year.

Family used to own a boatyard in Maldon & had a fleet of Thames barges - a proper sailing boat.. my great uncle was the designer of the Torch sailing dinghy - it was intended for & used extensively by schools & scouts & he wrote a number of books in the 1960s including Cassells young mariners guide.
 
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Ocean Crossing Wayfarer: To Iceland and Norway in a 16ft Open Dinghy (Paperback)

Frank and Margret Dyer, travel in a wayfarer..
 
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One question I'm struggling to answer myself is why the GP14's draft is listed as 120cm while the Wayfarer and Enterprise both have a draft of 20cm. Is it because the GP14 has a fixed rudder while the Wayfarer and Enterprise have lifting rudders?

I do like the idea of camping in a Wayfarer. Apparently there is room for two: a mat on the cockpit floor, cover over the boom and snuggle into a sleeping bag. Sausages on a Cadac, a campfire below the high water mark (so long as the tide isn't up) and the setup is complete.

However, the Wayfarer is a beast of a boat, and I'm not sure how easy it is to handle single handed. The GP14 is 36KG lighter, 50cm shorter and 10cm narrower.
 
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However, the Wayfarer is a beast of a boat, and I'm not sure how easy it is to handle single handed. The GP14 is 36KG lighter, 50cm shorter and 10cm narrower.
I think your draft assumption is correct.

Any boat this size will be hard to bring ashore and maneuver on your own, especially as most slipways are by definition slopes. I'd work on the premis you will always have help launching and recovering. You can solo sail these boats but the question is why would you, youd probably take a Laser out instead.

As much as the Wayfarer is a beast if you are serious about transits to the IoW and true coastal stuff I'd say the Wayfarer's size and stability is perfect, especially with the 2+2 crew. Much smaller and there would be no room to move, relax etc.

I spent a week day sailing off Leigh on Sea in a Wayfarer as a double hander and it was perfect for that tidal work. As ever see and try before you buy is probably sensible. Im sure Queen Mary or a similar local centre will have one you can use.
 
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One question I'm struggling to answer myself is why the GP14's draft is listed as 120cm while the Wayfarer and Enterprise both have a draft of 20cm. Is it because the GP14 has a fixed rudder while the Wayfarer and Enterprise have lifting rudders?

I do like the idea of camping in a Wayfarer. Apparently there is room for two: a mat on the cockpit floor, cover over the boom and snuggle into a sleeping bag. Sausages on a Cadac, a campfire below the high water mark (so long as the tide isn't up) and the setup is complete.

However, the Wayfarer is a beast of a boat, and I'm not sure how easy it is to handle single handed. The GP14 is 36KG lighter, 50cm shorter and 10cm narrower.
Possibly a typo, my GP neverr had a fixed draft rudder.. And it would float in a puddle.
 
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Possibly a typo, my GP neverr had a fixed draft rudder.. And it would float in a puddle.

The 120cm or 1200mm is consistent on multiple web pages.

Wikipedia gives two drafts for the Wayfarer (0.2m and 1.169m) and Enterprise (0.2m and 1.17m).

So I expect they must be without and with foils.
 
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I think your draft assumption is correct.

Any boat this size will be hard to bring ashore and maneuver on your own, especially as most slipways are by definition slopes. I'd work on the premis you will always have help launching and recovering. You can solo sail these boats but the question is why would you, youd probably take a Laser out instead.

As much as the Wayfarer is a beast if you are serious about transits to the IoW and true coastal stuff I'd say the Wayfarer's size and stability is perfect, especially with the 2+2 crew. Much smaller and there would be no room to move, relax etc.

I spent a week day sailing off Leigh on Sea in a Wayfarer as a double hander and it was perfect for that tidal work. As ever see and try before you buy is probably sensible. Im sure Queen Mary or a similar local centre will have one you can use.

I have sailed quite extensively in a GP14 including in the eastern Solent, but never in a Wayfarer, so I guess I have a natural bias to the GP14.

I think that a Wayfarer is better than a GP14 overall, ~10% lower handicap (so about 10% faster), and it can be slept in, but it is about 30% heavier.

There is also a Wayfarer ship builder local to where I would keep it over the summer months.
 
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The 120cm or 1200mm is consistent on multiple web pages.

Wikipedia gives two drafts for the Wayfarer (0.2m and 1.169m) and Enterprise (0.2m and 1.17m).

So I expect they must be without and with foils.
Yes one will be center board down and the lesser number up.
 

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