Hybrid pay per mile

[Lakes_Puma]

Just seen an interesting video talking about the pay per mile tariff which is coming in April 2028.

Plug in hybrids will have to pay 1.5p per mile, but it doesn't matter if that mile is driven on electric or petrol, or even if the mile is driven in the UK or elsewhere, e.g. abroad, as it will be purely based on the mileage the vehicle has driven.

Thoughts?

 

[pjm-84]

Not worried, the cost is immaterial

Crumbs as a business owner I've been hit with much more costs

 

[Wannabecamperman]

Just seen an interesting video talking about the pay per mile tariff which is coming in April 2028.

Plug in hybrids will have to pay 1.5p per mile, but it doesn't matter if that mile is driven on electric or petrol, or even if the mile is driven in the UK or elsewhere, e.g. abroad, as it will be purely based on the mileage the vehicle has driven.

Thoughts?

I suspect that Farage will be in power before these charges hit. And he'll cancel them, I'm sure. As a Tesla driver, I certainly hope so.

 

[WelshGas]

I suspect that Farage will be in power before these charges hit. And he'll cancel them, I'm sure. As a Tesla driver, I certainly hope so.

Whichever party is in Government in the future Pay per Mile is here to stay. If government is going to push EV/PHEV Hybrid vehicles then overall Fuel Duty levels will need to be maintained. I dare say there will come a tipping point when ALL vehicles will move to Pay per Mile and Fuel Duty at the Pump discontinued.

 

[FivetonesCali]

I suspect that Farage will be in power before these charges hit. And he'll cancel them, I'm sure. As a Tesla driver, I certainly hope so.

It’s more likely that an AI superintelligence will be in charge by then and will be turning the universe into paperclips.

As for the 1.5p, if you can afford a van than costs £80k why the hell are you worrying?

It’s an unworkable system anyway, that’s why it was kicked into the long grass of 2028.

 

[Wannabecamperman]

It’s more likely that an AI superintelligence will be in charge by then and will be turning the universe into paperclips.

As for the 1.5p, if you can afford a van than costs £80k why the hell are you worrying?

It’s an unworkable system anyway, that’s why it was kicked into the long grass of 2028.

It's not about the pennies - it's called a principle!

The whole idea was that BEV, PHEVs and Hybrids omit fewer pollutants, thus reducing global warming and saving the polar bears. Therefore governments should be encouraging this. I already pay a £195 VED tax on a fully EV with zero emissions despite promises of no VED if no emissions.

The ppm is a step too far, and evidently unfair, not to mention un-enforceable

 

[pjm-84]

Whichever party is in Government in the future Pay per Mile is here to stay. If government is going to push EV/PHEV Hybrid vehicles then overall Fuel Duty levels will need to be maintained. I dare say there will come a tipping point when ALL vehicles will move to Pay per Mile and Fuel Duty at the Pump discontinued.

Correct....so those clapping....... Its just another tax grab......

 

[pjm-84]

Principle is choice................ so I wouldn't consider an electric car now on principle.......my choice, and when it comes to change, like others, we will either hang on, make do, or buy a newer older model at a premium......and when this is echoed, you now understand why growth is low.

I always understood that the VED was a incentive that would be revoked.

 

[FivetonesCali]

Correct....so those clapping....... Its just another tax grab......

This expression ‘tax grab’. Let’s get that into perspective shall we? It’s 150 quid a year at most. Compared to £80k for a literal van this is the hill you want to die on?!

How do you think things are paid for to make the country run? Don’t answer that, it’s rhetorical.

 

[FivetonesCali]

Principle is choice................ so I wouldn't consider an electric car now on principle.......my choice, and when it comes to change, like others, we will either hang on, make do, or buy a newer older model at a premium......and when this is echoed, you now understand why growth is low.

I always understood that the VED was an incentive that would be revoked.

Ahem. Record EV sales.

UK electric car sales hit record high in 2025: industry

All-electric vehicles accounted for nearly one quarter of new cars sold in the UK last year, a record high, industry data showed Tuesday, as Britain phases out combustion engines.The UK is meanwhile sticking with a target to ban the sale of new combustion-engine vehicles as early as 2030, and...

uk.finance.yahoo.com

 

[pjm-84]

Badly....I've consulted for a local authority, and I've seen the incompetence, and waste first hand, including potential manslaughter considerations.

Depends on what side of the fence you sit. Public or private.

As someone who contributes, but takes very little, I'm not worried about £150....in the rounds its peanuts, and I give more to charity.

 

[pjm-84]

Ahem. Record EV sales.

UK electric car sales hit record high in 2025: industry

All-electric vehicles accounted for nearly one quarter of new cars sold in the UK last year, a record high, industry data showed Tuesday, as Britain phases out combustion engines.The UK is meanwhile sticking with a target to ban the sale of new combustion-engine vehicles as early as 2030, and...

uk.finance.yahoo.com

Read the other article, and also look at total sales under the SMMT data.......

Electric car discounts are unsustainable, warns industry group

The SMMT warned of a growing gap between consumer demand and the government's ambitions for EVs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Don't get me wrong. I like EVs, I have had hybrids the last 10yrs as a matter of choice. I considered a full EV in 2014 and bought one for my business in 2020.

 

[pjm-84]

Also check out the rise of Chinese EVs....and the mobility scheme which is considered to prop up the market.....also if its a company car, the BIK on a EV is a no brainer..... once that goes?

UK New Car Registration Data - Latest Figures & Statistics | SMMT

Discover the latest UK car registration data: new car registration statistics, the number of cars in the UK, and more.

www.smmt.co.uk

 

[Kev56]

Correct....so those clapping....... Its just another tax grab......

Of coarse it is, We've got to pay for all benefits this lot are forking out.

 

[FivetonesCali]

Badly....I've consulted for a local authority, and I've seen the incompetence, and waste first hand, including potential manslaughter considerations.

Depends on what side of the fence you sit. Public or private.

As someone who contributes, but takes very little, I'm not worried about £150....in the rounds its peanuts, and I give more to charity.

I agree the privatised side is shockingly wasteful, fraudulent even:

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2404593/Serco-suffers-stock-takes-340m-hit.html

 

[FivetonesCali]

Of coarse it is, We've got to pay for all benefits this lot are forking out.

Yes, forking out £120M or tax payers money to a lazy billionaire who lives in a tax haven. Hear hear, stop these benefits!

Grangemouth chemicals plant to stay open after Government provides £120m funding

The Government is to support chemicals giant Ineos with funding to help secure jobs at the site.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[FivetonesCali]

Read the other article, and also look at total sales under the SMMT data.......

Electric car discounts are unsustainable, warns industry group

The SMMT warned of a growing gap between consumer demand and the government's ambitions for EVs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Don't get me wrong. I like EVs, I have had hybrids the last 10yrs as a matter of choice. I considered a full EV in 2014 and bought one for my business in 2020.

These turkeys won’t vote for Christmas.

 

[pjm-84]

Lol.....that's whataboutery.....Two wrongs do not make a right.

But if you want to get on about government framework agreements, I could probably bore you to death. Basically its the blind, leading the blind.

 

[FivetonesCali]

It’s not whataboutery it’s pointing out some solid facts about where power actually sits in our country.

Anyway, pointless chat aside, we’ve all made our points.

These per-mile taxes aren’t offensive because they are taxes, they are offensive in their lack of imagination and ambition.

I actually think there’s common ground here between all of us. It’s an unworkable tax that will never get implemented.

 

[pjm-84]

It’s not whataboutery it’s pointing out some solid facts about where power actually sits in our country.

Anyway, pointless chat aside

Whataboutery (or whataboutism) is a rhetorical tactic where someone deflects criticism or an accusation by responding with a counter-accusation, often asking, "
What about X?" instead of addressing the original point, aiming to shift focus, avoid accountability, or claim hypocrisy. It's considered a logical fallacy, related to the tu quoque fallacy, because it distracts from the initial issue (e.g., pointing out American racism to excuse Soviet oppression) and relies on the flawed idea that two wrongs make a right

 

[FivetonesCali]

Badly....I've consulted for a local authority, and I've seen the incompetence, and waste first hand, including potential manslaughter considerations.

Depends on what side of the fence you sit. Public or private.

As someone who contributes, but takes very little, I'm not worried about £150....in the rounds it’s peanuts, and I give more to charity.

Whataboutery?

 

[soulstyledevon]

Don’t we already pay per mile, via fuel tax…???

 

[stoobthealien]

Don’t we already pay per mile, via fuel tax…???

That's precisely what they are trying to make up for losing

 

[Wannabecamperman]

Don’t we already pay per mile, via fuel tax…???

Hybrids yes. BEV and PHEV, no. We plug in at home (overnight at 7p per kWh in my case = around 2p per mile.

 

[Hawthorn37]

It’s all a merry-go-round of innovation and tax invention. Whatever fantastic new tech gets invented to make life easier / the world a better place, as consumers we should expect a new tax strategy coming down the pipe to give us all a dose!

Opposition parties wring their hands and wear horrified expressions at new taxes, but secretly wish they’d thought of them first, and certainly won’t abolish them when their time comes to be in charge of the Treasury’s flush chain.

My own opinion is that for many private buyers there’s still a big disincentive in going for EVs (especially new EVs), and that’s depreciation. This massively dwarfs the pence per mile scheme - for now!