T7 discounts

[PipPip]

I’ve been keeping an eye on used prices for 2024 T6.1 Oceans and new prices for T7 Oceans. We are buying in October/November and deciding between these two options. I’ve noticed used T6.1 prices are holding up well, especially for the rare 4 Motion models, which still go for £75k to £80k for a 12-18 month old model with under 10k miles. However, I’ve also noticed a lot more T7s advertised on Autotrader with discounts, which seem to be growing as the year goes on. By the time we come to buy it looks like there will be very little difference in price between a decent low mileage used 1 year old T6.1 and a brand new T7.

 

[Dodge1311]

I traded in my 4 Motion Ocean with 48,000 miles in April for £56,000 its new price after discount was only £63,000 at drive the deal. The T7 Ocean I bought is petrol with most of the expensive options ticked so had a list of over £90k and settled on £80k. I would have probably went for the phev but the residuals were predicted to be quite a bit lower at the 4 year point and were still 4 months away.

 

[audiosculpture]

i wonder if people are therefore choosing 6.1 as first time buyers more than expected?

 

[2haw]

I don’t recall discounts this big on the T6.1 so shortly after release!

 

[Kernowboy]

Paints a picture unfortunately. Plenty available from stock, should be a waiting list really.

 

[2into1]

It's not just t7 Cali's. There are huge discounts on conventional motorhomes and still not much is moving. Houses have stopped selling too. I imagine if 6.1s were still current, there'd be large discounts too (although I'm not denying the T7 has much convincing still to do!)

 

[audiosculpture]

That doesn’t quite match my recent experience 2into1 - t6.1 oceans with 5+ promise are selling for around that amount.

 

[WelshGas]

In the present financial and political situation both home and abroad is anyone that surprised.
No matter what you think or fantasise the T7 is here for good and the T6.1 is confined to the history books. The rush of sales post Covid has subsided . There is a glut of leisure vehicles on the market and it is a buyers market, if they can afford to buy.

 

[Corradobrit]

the T6.1 is confined to the history books.

And true cult status is all but guaranteed.

I'm curious how the MV Cali will be positioned against the ID Buzz Cali offering thats supposedly on the horizon. Apart from pure EV aspect what will differentiate to 2 platforms? Certainly not the ability to comfortably accommodate a family of 4 or improve payload and towing capability.

 

[2haw]

Houses certainly haven’t stopped selling near me. It seems that every house under 600k is sold within a few days.

However, this is mainly due to the constant migration of Londoners moving out to the Suburbs!

 

[PipPip]

It’s a bit of a dilemna for buyers like us. I see pros and cons of both vehicles. My wife and I plan some longer European road trips and storage space in the T7 is a concern. Having said that, by packing light, which we tend to do anyway, and perhaps leaving the rear seat nearest the kitchen at home we think it would be good. With the discounts available the T7 is definitely coming out ahead of the T6.1 in our thinking. We also haven’t ruled out a conversion although they seem to be generally more £££ than a T7 these days. We are renting a T7 in August and will go to October NEC show then make a final decision/order whatever we decide to go with immediately after that.

 

[WelshGas]

And true cult status is all but guaranteed.

I'm curious how the MV Cali will be positioned against the ID Buzz Cali offering thats supposedly on the horizon. Apart from pure EV aspect what will differentiate to 2 platforms? Certainly not the ability to comfortably accommodate a family of 4 or improve payload and towing capability.

But will it longterm. The T1 to T4 could be maintained and repaired by a competent mechanic and certainly DIY, but T5 to T6.1 not so much as you also need computer skills, hardware and software skills, not just a set of spanners and common sense. No longer a DIY hobby.

 

[audiosculpture]

It’s a bit of a dilemna for buyers like us. I see pros and cons of both vehicles. My wife and I plan some longer European road trips and storage space in the T7 is a concern. Having said that, by packing light, which we tend to do anyway, and perhaps leaving the rear seat nearest the kitchen at home we think it would be good. With the discounts available the T7 is definitely coming out ahead of the T6.1 in our thinking. We also haven’t ruled out a conversion although they seem to be generally more £££ than a T7 these days. We are renting a T7 in August and will go to October NEC show then make a final decision/order whatever we decide to go with immediately after that.

How was your t7 experience? I struggled to get past it being a bigger van, with a narrower bed and less storage. But if it was just 2 of us it might be a different story indeed.

 

[PipPip]

How was your t7 experience? I struggled to get past it being a bigger van, with a narrower bed and less storage. But if it was just 2 of us it might be a different story indeed.

Our T7 rental booking is in August so will report back then. There are only two of us plus a spaniel. To be honest we struggled to sleep together in the T6.1 as we have a massive bed at home and in either bed it felt like we were squeezed into a single. I roll around a lot in my sleep, plus I get hot while my wife gets cold (we have two single duvets at home - mine a summer and hers a winter), so two of us in a campervan bed is never going to be very good. We ended up with one up and one down in the T6.1, which meant we both had a great nights sleep. I suspect given one up one down is our most likely sleeping arrangement the T7 bed sizes won’t make a big difference to us.

 

[pjm-84]

It's not just t7 Cali's. There are huge discounts on conventional motorhomes and still not much is moving. Houses have stopped selling too. I imagine if 6.1s were still current, there'd be large discounts too (although I'm not denying the T7 has much convincing still to do!)

Some but not all.... Hymer Venture S still at an arm and a leg.

 

[Mansfieldman750]

In the present financial and political situation both home and abroad is anyone that surprised.
No matter what you think or fantasise the T7 is here for good and the T6.1 is confined to the history books. The rush of sales post Covid has subsided . There is a glut of leisure vehicles on the market and it is a buyers market, if they can afford to buy.

Buyers market for T7 but sellers market for T6.1 4-motion if post#2 is anything to go by.

 

[WelshGas]

Buyers market for T7 but sellers market for T6.1 4-motion if post#2 is anything to go by.

Is it? Has the Trade In sold ?

 

[FivetonesCali]

Aside from the wider economic context could it be that if buyers are going to go for the T7 then the hybrid 4mo is the one to have. If I was just considering TDI then the T6.1 is a better choice.

 

[Californication69]

I think the T7 discounts and 5* promise are too good a bargain to miss.
At listers Droitwich, on the May BH Monday, there were 5x couples (50’s, 60’s and 70’s) all over the T7 Cali ocean.
So yep, for couples wanting a small day time or couple of weeks camping, it fits the bill.
The height adjusting comfy seat of the T7 is a no brainer compared to the 6.1. (For me personally)

And the market for 2nd hand Hymer of all ages is 4 times the amount for sale on Autotrader compared to 2021. There’s 342 Hymer’s for sale.
So all the covid buyers are realising camping not for them and going on aeroplanes.

The amount of people in airports is crazy.
I travel regularly for work (eu & USA) and flights are packed, high prices, but still lots travelling.

 

[Mansfieldman750]

Is it? Has the Trade In sold ?

I don’t know whether the dealer has sold it or not. As far as the previous owner is concerned, it’s sold.

I don’t like putting words in anyone’s mouth, but what you seem to be saying is that the T7 is being discounted because of the state of the economy.
I suggest it may be because demand has not met VW’s expectations.
Supply and demand. Teach a budgie to repeat it and you have an economist.

 

[Van Diesel VW]

I don’t recall discounts this big on the T6.1 so shortly after release!

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Which dealer is this with.

 

[Dodge1311]

I don’t know whether the dealer has sold it or not. As far as the previous owner is concerned, it’s sold.

I don’t like putting words in anyone’s mouth, but what you seem to be saying is that the T7 is being discounted because of the state of the economy.
I suggest it may be because demand has not met VW’s expectations.
Supply and demand. Teach a budgie to repeat it and you have an economist.

When the T6.1 launched it was a much cheaper vehicle and the finance rates were low. When i tried to buy one in 2020 the wait time was long, but then all recreational vehicles had long wait times. We don’t exist in that same world today. Lots of used 6.1’s are now in the marketplace and are an attractive option for some. £52k, £56k, and £63k compared to £63k, £70k and £77k today were the starting prices for each varient and you could get 10% and upwards discounts from some dealers even then. Then the incentives started to come i think partly because of the people cancelling orders because of wait times. ( second hand market couldn’t compensate as the 6.1 hadn’t been around long enough). Now you can’t get a new beach for the price of the old ocean. I changed mine up because i did not want to sitting on an out of warranty VW for any money. The amount of hassle i had in warranty meant that was a non starter and i will do the same again when this one gets to 4 years old, they are just too expensive to put right when they go wrong that any potential saving buying used even at low mileage is not attractive to me.

So even at the peak demand period my 4Motion Ocean fully loaded as a factory build which was arguably a desirable model was delivered for just over £63k so current discounts from my perspective are comparable albeit with a higher starting rrp.

 

[WelshGas]

I don’t know whether the dealer has sold it or not. As far as the previous owner is concerned, it’s sold.

I don’t like putting words in anyone’s mouth, but what you seem to be saying is that the T7 is being discounted because of the state of the economy.
I suggest it may be because demand has not met VW’s expectations.
Supply and demand. Teach a budgie to repeat it and you have an economist.

The state of the economy + as with many new vehicles the best PR is having the new model on the road not in a showroom .
Discounts were available when the T5/5.1/6 and 6.1 were introduced.

 

[Mansfieldman750]

Well I’m sticking with what I’ve got, unless I run into the same salesman as Homer Simpson

 

[Kayleigh]

In the present financial and political situation both home and abroad is anyone that surprised.
No matter what you think or fantasise the T7 is here for good and the T6.1 is confined to the history books. The rush of sales post Covid has subsided . There is a glut of leisure vehicles on the market and it is a buyers market, if they can afford to buy.

I would agree, there is a glut of leisure vehicles. On Autotrader there are over 3,400 brand new motorhomes for sale! Surely a hagglers market!