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[Hotel California]

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[Dr-Snickers]

My husband was pondering the other day how much revenue the government could generate if they legalised and taxed cannabis in the UK? So many countries have now done so, it will interesting to see if public opinion changes here too.

 

[Auberg-ine]

? Why else would we have all these beds, pans and Potti's in our vans?
True Color-boxes they are, where mushrooms are served on opium beds, and some Ayahuasca is topping the trips .

 

[66tim99]

My husband was pondering the other day how much revenue the government could generate if they legalised and taxed cannabis in the UK? So many countries have now done so, it will interesting to see if public opinion changes here too.

Public opinion has changed (In 2018 51% supported legalisation or decriminalisation of cannabis), despite the facts rarely being discussed. No sign of a referendum though. And Ministers having decided they have "had enough of experts" refuse to set a harm-based policy for recreational use, preferring to ignore facts from around the world and play for votes as they see it. If that continues, when the current younger generation make the voting majority, change in legality will follow.
It would be interesting if the state of the nation's finances drove change: in 2011 the Institute for Social and Economic Research estimated a cannabis tax could bring in between £397m and £871m pa (p.13)

 

[Bellcrew]

Public opinion has changed (In 2018 51% supported legalisation or decriminalisation of cannabis), despite the facts rarely being discussed - no sign of a referendum though. And Ministers having decided they have "had enough of experts" refuse to set a harm-based policy for recreational use, preferring to ignore facts from around the world and play for votes as they see it. If that continues and the current younger generation make the voting majority, change in legality will follow.
It would be interesting if the state of the nation's finances drove change: in 2011 the Institute for Social and Economic Research estimated a cannabis tax could bring in between £397m and £871m pa (p.13)

Another excellent idea, my BAT shares have struggled lately, they have just taken over a cannabis producer to supply the North American market. The sky is the limit for my investment with all the new dopes appearing.

 

[Dr-Snickers]

My husband was pondering the other day how much revenue the government could generate if they legalised and taxed cannabis in the UK? So many countries have now done so, it will interesting to see if public opinion changes here too.

I read one report that said they could save £890million just in police costs, prison and other parts of the CJS that use resources on cannabis.

That’s separate from the tax revenue which was conservatively put at £1billion in 2016, and it doesn’t factor in the investment opportunities either.

A harm reduction policy isn’t seen to be tough enough, even though ‘tough’ isn’t working... and not sure it ever did tbh. To be clear, I’m not suggesting I want everyone to smoke cannabis but I know that human beings are capable of self- destructive behaviour, with or without drugs. I’d just prefer that we adopted a harm reduction strategy and stopped pretending that we aren’t quite happy to turn a blind eye to other problem areas, such as gambling, as long as they are bringing in tax revenues.

I think you’re right about the tide turning, only time will tell is fiscal benefits speed that process up.

 

[flying banana]

If cannabis became legal and I were drug tested at work ,Which is common, could I be sacked for doing something in my own time that is legal in the country I live and work In?
It stays detectable for a few weeks I believe so having a couple of days off it before working wouldn't matter.

 

[66tim99]

If cannabis became legal and I were drug tested at work ,Which is common, could I be sacked for doing something in my own time that is legal in the country I live and work In?
It stays detectable for a few weeks I believe so having a couple of days off it before working wouldn't matter.

Tricky subject - I don't know if they can test for impairment from cannabis, rather than just that they have detected it in your hair for example from living with a cannabis smoker. I suppose it depends what you do. I can be sacked for having 1/3 of the drink drive limit of alcohol on my breath, because I work for a railway company (even though I don't physically work on the railway - I push pens).

 

[Dr-Snickers]

If cannabis became legal and I were drug tested at work ,Which is common, could I be sacked for doing something in my own time that is legal in the country I live and work In?
It stays detectable for a few weeks I believe so having a couple of days off it before working wouldn't matter.

Genuinely don't know the answer to that question and I would look to USA, Canada etc, to see how they make it work in practice. They are particularly hot on drug testing in America but I suppose individual companies could set their own standards i.e. no recreational drug use at any time but if they don't do that for alcohol, and cannabis was legal, I don't see how they could police it.

As I understand it current road side testing in the UK can see if you've used in recent weeks but that doesn't mean you are under the 'influence'. That only works here because it is illegal. I presume they would then need to use a different test and set a concentration level as they do for alcohol or use a test that measures how compromised you are to function.

 

[flying banana]

Genuinely don't know the answer to that question and I would look to USA, Canada etc, to see how they make it work in practice. They are particularly hot on drug testing in America but I suppose individual companies could set their own standards i.e. no recreational drug use at any time but if they don't do that for alcohol, and cannabis was legal, I don't see how they

Tricky subject - I don't know if they can test for impairment from cannabis, rather than just that they have detected it in your hair for example from living with a cannabis smoker. I suppose it depends what you do. I can be sacked for having 1/3 of the drink drive limit of alcohol on my breath, because I work for a railway company (even though I don't physically work on the railway - I push pens).

The thing is you know that staying off alcohol 12 hours before you push those pens you would blow a zero test result. Cannabis would still be detectable for example if you had 2 weeks holiday smoking spliffs in your van and then stayed off it for a couple of days before you went back they would still detect it and sack you. As it stands now. But could you then argue that you hadn't broke the law and they were discriminating against you. It would be like being sacked for driving at 70mph in a private car in your own time where company policy says 60mph