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£1.69 in Bath sainsburys - 10p cheaper than other local garages. Shame my tank is full!
 
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£1.69 in Bath sainsburys - 10p cheaper than other local garages. Shame my tank is full!
Wednesday £1.75 Oban Esso, £1.84 Fort William Esso.
The day after the budget FW Esso £1.87 and the BP £1.89, gone up not down !
 
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Wednesday £1.75 Oban Esso, £1.84 Fort William Esso.
The day after the budget FW Esso £1.87 and the BP £1.89, gone up not down !
Fuel duty is paid to the wholesalers, so until they have their next delivery they will have already paid the fuel duty on what's in the garage tanks.
 
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Fuel duty is paid to the wholesalers, so until they have their next delivery they will have already paid the fuel duty on what's in the garage tanks.
They are always higher in normal times not just now. Always higher than Esso stations north and south of FW.
 
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Item 5 of the plan - The Greek government decided to reduce pollution in Athens by allowing cars with even and odd registration numbers on alternate days. Result: a significant increase in the number of cars owned in Athens, one with an even registration number and one with an odd registration number per household for those who could afford it.
 
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Item 5 of the plan - The Greek government decided to reduce pollution in Athens by allowing cars with even and odd registration numbers on alternate days. Result: a significant increase in the number of cars owned in Athens, one with an even registration number and one with an odd registration number per household for those who could afford it.
I’m not surprised if the price of alternative public transport and it’s feasibility as a substitute alternative for a car in the uk is anything to go by.
 
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The biggest shift away from car dependency will be pay per mile driving.
It’s not a case of if, but when.
Something the government is already looking into as they figure out how to gap a £35b hole in public finances from people switching to electric vehicles.

Got to say, PPM has to be the fairest way. The more you drive, the more you pay.
 
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The biggest shift away from car dependency will be pay per mile driving.
It’s not a case of if, but when.
Something the government is already looking into as they figure out how to gap a £35b hole in public finances from people switching to electric vehicles.

Got to say, PPM has to be the fairest way. The more you drive, the more you pay.
Only if everything else is equal, which it is not. In cities and bigger towns public transport is often quite good. If you live out in the countryside there is often no public transport at all so one has to drive to do anything, shopping, doctor, school, work etc. So a blanket pay per mile would be unfair.
 
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Only if everything else is equal, which it is not. In cities and bigger towns public transport is often quite good. If you live out in the countryside there is often no public transport at all so one has to drive to do anything, shopping, doctor, school, work etc. So a blanket pay per mile would be unfair.

I imagine the system will be intelligent. It could work out pricing based on time of use, routes driven, inner city congestion charges and parking bundled in etc etc.
Ultimately, rural property is cheaper than a inner city and therefore people who live in the middle of now-where have a lower cost of living anyway.
 
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I imagine the system will be intelligent. It could work out pricing based on time of use, routes driven, inner city congestion charges and parking bundled in etc etc.
Ultimately, rural property is cheaper than a inner city and therefore people who live in the middle of now-where have a lower cost of living anyway.
What a load of rubbish. As someone that has done both I say from actual experience that both are comparable.
 
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Well, there is a difference between "out of city" and "middle of nowhere". In out of city live millions of people and rents are definitely lower comparing like-for-like with the inner city. So is rent for restaurants, shops etc, which definitely influences also retail prices. In fact usually people move out of the city in the suburbs because for the same price/rent of a inner city flat they can get a semidetached house in the suburbs, at the cost of a longer commute.

Then there are people living in the middle of nowhere, so hard to reach that prices for goods are actually more expensive despite rock very low RE prices. But these few people don't commute daily 150mi into the city to work..

With PPM the electric car fans are in for a shock. It is only cheaper when only few have them.
 
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Well, there is a difference between "out of city" and "middle of nowhere". In out of city live millions of people and rents are definitely lower comparing like-for-like with the inner city. So is rent for restaurants, shops etc, which definitely influences also retail prices. In fact usually people move out of the city in the suburbs because for the same price/rent of a inner city flat they can get a semidetached house in the suburbs, at the cost of a longer commute.

Then there are people living in the middle of nowhere, so hard to reach that prices for goods are actually more expensive despite rock very low RE prices. But these few people don't commute daily 150mi into the city to work..

With PPM the electric car fans are in for a shock. It is only cheaper when only few have them.
That would be an electric shock then?
 
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With PPM the electric car fans are in for a shock. It is only cheaper when only few have them.

There has to be an incentive to transition people into the alternative.

Same happened with diesel, electric powered vehicles are currently having their turn and I’m sure hydrogen power will arrive a few decades later…
 
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20 years ago I chose to move to within 15 minutes walking to my work, instead of the previous 45 minute drive (there was no public transport available). It was a long term plan, and it has certainly paid off, both financially and in quality of life, in addition to environmental concerns. True, my work is located in an amazing place, and not everybody is lucky enough to be able to make that choice either, but in my case that was also a long term plan.
 
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Only if everything else is equal, which it is not. In cities and bigger towns public transport is often quite good. If you live out in the countryside there is often no public transport at all so one has to drive to do anything, shopping, doctor, school, work etc. So a blanket pay per mile would be unfair.
Maybe pay per mile should be according to road speed limit. 20mph the most expensive and 70mph the cheapest?
 
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Only if everything else is equal, which it is not. In cities and bigger towns public transport is often quite good. If you live out in the countryside there is often no public transport at all so one has to drive to do anything, shopping, doctor, school, work etc. So a blanket pay per mile would be unfair.
In the countryside you already pay more to drive more miles because you need to buy more fuel, so why would you find it unfair to pay per mile as you use roads more. Surlely thats just part of the pros and cons people weigh up when deciding where to live.
 
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In the countryside you already pay more to drive more miles because you need to buy more fuel, so why would you find it unfair to pay per mile as you use roads more. Surlely thats just part of the pros and cons people weigh up when deciding where to live.
This is so important, and hasn't been given adequate consideration when discussing climate goals. see post #241.
 
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This is so important, and hasn't been given adequate consideration when discussing climate goals. see post #241.
You really don't get it do you.
You can work in the countryside and hence live there, BUT , you can't walk to the shops , visit the GP , visit the hospital , walk to the theatre etc etc because the public transport links aren't there. Typical city attitude. I'm alright Jack.
 
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You really don't get it do you.
You can work in the countryside and hence live there, BUT , you can't walk to the shops , visit the GP , visit the hospital , walk to the theatre etc etc because the public transport links aren't there. Typical city attitude. I'm alright Jack.

Surely you knew there was little public infrastructure when you moved there…?

Sounds a bit like people who move close by to airports, and them complain about all the aircraft in the sky and the noise and pollution…:talktothehand
 
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In the countryside you already pay more to drive more miles because you need to buy more fuel, so why would you find it unfair to pay per mile as you use roads more. Surlely thats just part of the pros and cons people weigh up when deciding where to live.
Another poorly considered response. A lot of people have no option but to live in the countryside, farmers, agricultural workers, those that support those workers, shop owners, doctors, vets, teachers for the countryside kids, council employees to look after the necessary roads. One size does not fit all and never will. Blanket pay per mile road pricing will be unfair.
 
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Another poorly considered response. A lot of people have no option but to live in the countryside, farmers, agricultural workers, those that support those workers, shop owners, doctors, vets, teachers for the countryside kids, council employees to look after the necessary roads. One size does not fit all and never will. Blanket pay per mile road pricing will be unfair.

In essence you currently PPM.
The more diesel you put in and use, the more you pay in tax revenue to the government.
 
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Surely you knew there was little public infrastructure when you moved there…?

Sounds a bit like people who move close by to airports, and them complain about all the aircraft in the sky and the noise and pollution…:talktothehand
A lot of the population “ didn’t move to the country “ they were born there and live and work there. But the city folk blame them for living in the ” country “. Typical.
 
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