Is there increasing resistance against EV’s?

[GrannyJen]

EV's had their place and were largely ignored by petrol heads, as I was, as just another means of getting around.

Then came big government telling everyone they can't have a new ICE after 2030.

The reaction was predictable. Total hostility to being told what to do and what to have.

EV's are brilliant at what they do, and I love mine, but they cannot replace an ICE in so many applications that the blanket piece of "You will do as you are told" can only be seen as a derisory move by politicians prancing on a stage of unreality.

The only way this beautiful planet of ours will be saved is by all pulling together, not politically-induced divisiveness.

 

[Wannabecamperman]

I’ve been running an EV (a Polestar) for the last 6 months. It’s a fantastic vehicle and the whole electric driving experience is superior 90% of the time. I enjoy “enthusiastic” driving and I thought I’d miss the theatrics of ICE (I’ve had an eclectic collection of cars, from turbo charged Subarus to screaming Celicas) but weirdly I don’t. My only issue has been public charging on long haul drives. This is literally 3 times in 6 months; the first few occasions there were issues finding a charger of the right speed in the right place, but then most recently I endured a chaotic queue to wait for an available charger (I wasn’t actually waiting long at all, but it’s like waiting for a kettle to boil).

On the whole though I think they’re brilliant.

Yes, the Ora is local only so always home charged, but I've used the Tesla Supercharger network a few times and it's been faultless and billed straight to the card on file each time. The SatNav even factors the charge in to route planning and confirms what charge % you will have on arrival, etc - so really a non-issue for me personally.

 

[Mr B]

I've got an EV but I have only recently learnt of this Amnesty International ranking for EV Car companies and it doesn't read well.....

As an aside, I'm pretty sure their ICE cars supply chains are no better but it did open my eyes.

Global: Electric car industry rankings expose companies failing to protect human rights - New Report

We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.

www.amnesty.org.uk

Amnesty’s scorecard, which is marked out of 90, assesses companies’ performance on criteria including commitment to human rights policies, risk identification process, supply chain mapping and reporting and remediation. None of the companies scored higher than 51 on Amnesty’s human rights due diligence assessment. At the bottom of the list was Chinese company BYD Auto, which scored a dire 11/90. German company Mercedes-Benz scored highest with 51/90.


The car manufacturers scored as follows:


· Mercedes Benz (51)


· Tesla (49)


· Stellantis (42)


· VW Group (41)


· BMW (41)


· Ford (41)


· General Motors (32)


· Renault (27)


· Nissan (22)


· Geely Auto (22)


· Hyundai (21)


· Mitsubishi (13)


· BYD Auto (11)


This is another interesting report:

- Lead the Charge

Scorecards Archive - Lead the Charge

leadthecharge.org

Also I just completed a year with the car (i3s) and did 6500miles at a total cost of £165...

I spent that every 2-3 weeks on my Abarth But then it was a lot more fun making it pop. Not sure it was value for money but I still secretly miss it

 

[OkaydokeyMark]

I sspecr tvat one rather large barrier is not having the ability to charge at home. If you have to charge out and about all the time the 'fuel' costs are just about the same.

 

[flying banana]

I sspecr tvat one rather large barrier is not having the ability to charge at home. If you have to charge out and about all the time the 'fuel' costs are just about the same.

Exactly. The well to do seem to quickly forget not everyone has a nice middle class driveway at home. Proven by various u tubers to actually work out dearer than diesel as the ev cars get half the range of a diesel tank. And then factor in the time eating battenburg and sandwiches with the crusts cut off you're onto a loser all day long .

 

[Hawthorn37]

After months of deliberation we decided on a mild hybrid Volvo. After test driving a number of EVs we were just about convinced to ditch the ICE. But in the end we couldn’t make the numbers work for us. The fuel is way cheaper of course, as is the servicing and road tax. Outweighing all of that is the insane depreciation of EVs at the moment. Hopefully that will change and our next car will be an EV.

 

[Mr B]

After months of deliberation we decided on a mild hybrid Volvo. After test driving a number of EVs we were just about convinced to ditch the ICE. But in the end we couldn’t make the numbers work for us. The fuel is way cheaper of course, as is the servicing and road tax. Outweighing all of that is the insane depreciation of EVs at the moment. Hopefully that will change and our next car will be an EV.

Depreciation is insane on new EVs but does stabilise.

I got my i3s for £15k - 4 years battery warranty, 25k miles on the clock from BMW approved.

It was over £45k new....!

If you're smart you can really get a bargain. Especially if you can pay cash (obviously don't tell the dealer that . Let someone else lose all their money and buy after the depreciation.

I think so many people lease cars these days and the leases are so punitive for damage and mileage etc - that there are tons of cars that are 3 years old and are almost in the same condition they were sold in - except less than half price.

 

[Mr B]

Exactly. The well to do seem to quickly forget not everyone has a nice middle class driveway at home. Proven by various u tubers to actually work out dearer than diesel as the ev cars get half the range of a diesel tank. And then factor in the time eating battenburg and sandwiches with the crusts cut off you're onto a loser all day long .

I haven't got a driveway - park on the road - but I do have a 20m cable and this...

https://www.screwfix.com/p/d-line-ultra-cable-cover-2m-black/995ra

You're right about crusts though...