Patio Gas Or. Propane Gas ??

[Little owl1963]

From my research both Green Patio Gas , and Red Propane bottle are both Propane hence work better in winter , so don't think any difference between the 2 bottles ??
Do members have any preference to use either patio gas or Propane ??

But I often wonder why they don't bring out a ISO Butane / propane mix which is far superior in winter below freezing conditions .
Iv used the Small Red primus Power Gas, which is ISO Butane / propane MIX , NEVER ever let you down ..

 

[Little owl1963]

Patio Gas or Propane , for outside camper van ??

 

[Little owl1963]

Patio Gas or Propane , for outside camper van ??

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To confirm primus power gas is 50% butane 25% iso butane and 25% Propane,
Why can't calor gas do a iso butane bottle ???????
Just sent calor email asking why they can't do a Iso / butane bottle will keep you posted

 

[Little owl1963]

 

[secret lemonade drinker]

Have you ever tried shaking a 11Kg gas bottle?

 

[Little owl1963]

Have you ever tried shaking a 11Kg gas bottle?

11kg ?? Iv not mentioned that size ??
I refer to calor propane 3.9 kg
Or patio gas in 5 kg .
The post is about doing Iso Butane bottle not bottle size ?
Not for inside camper , but when used outside of van , I do lot winter fishing , some places cannot get camper right to edge water , so also use a tent

 

[secret lemonade drinker]

Good, Gases cannot be mixed in refillable containers without the vessel being flushed and pressure tested prior to refilling, this would make it prohibitively expensive for domestic use.
Mixed gases for domestic use are sold in disposable small volume containers.
If you want mixed gas then look at a cadac dual Pak. Mixed gases separate when stood hence "shaking"

 

[KevH]

I prefer to cart around a second Campingaz 907 as it serves ad a reserve for the fixed bottle ad well ad running my outside Cadac.
So the question of which gas to use doesn’t arise.

 

[Little owl1963]

Good idea , exactly what I do at present .
Only problem arises is if weather cold , say below 4 degrees think struggle get heat .
That why looking into iso / butane gas performs excellent in extreme conditions

 

[Little owl1963]

Good, Gases cannot be mixed in refillable containers without the vessel being flushed and pressure tested prior to refilling, this would make it prohibitively expensive for domestic use.
Mixed gases for domestic use are sold in disposable small volume containers.
If you want mixed gas then look at a cadac dual Pak. Mixed gases separate when stood hence "shaking"

Interesting I will look into that, makes sense that though

 

[secret lemonade drinker]

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[Little owl1963]

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Tried those, rubbish in cold weather .
Only one anygood is Primus Red bottle Power Gas

 

[secret lemonade drinker]

In really cold weather you need unleaded or meths in a trangia

 

[Little owl1963]

I agree got single an double Coleman unleaded stoves , very good just bit messing all the pumping up ha ha

 

[secret lemonade drinker]

The only other alternative is a folding titanium log burner

 

[Little owl1963]

Or a twig foldable aluminium burner 6 x 6 inch square
Coleman unleaded double verygood , only down side is pan supports , like ice skating ring .
Have hold on tightly to handles , lethal !!

 

[RockinNRollin]

I’ve camped in just below freezing temps and had no issues with gas pressure. The gas cylinder is inside and while the gas cabinet isn’t as warm as the main living area, a fair bit of heat will bleed in there. Your water will freeze before the temp becomes an issue for butane…..

 

[Barry Chuckle]

From my research both Green Patio Gas , and Red Propane bottle are both Propane hence work better in winter , so don't think any difference between the 2 bottles ??
Do members have any preference to use either patio gas or Propane ??

But I often wonder why they don't bring out a ISO Butane / propane mix which is far superior in winter below freezing conditions .
Iv used the Small Red primus Power Gas, which is ISO Butane / propane MIX , NEVER ever let you down ..

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I've got a Primus Tupike stove (which is utterly brilliant btw!) and I've use the Primus bottles in your picture and I've never had any problems even in zero temperatures.

 

[Little owl1963]

I've got a Primus Tupike stove (which is utterly brilliant btw!) and I've use the Primus bottles in your picture and I've never had any problems even in zero temperatures.

No you wont mate , iv already stated that red primus power gas , in the picture is the best iv ever used an cannot be beaten in minus temperatures

 

[Barry Chuckle]

No you wont mate , iv already stated that red primus power gas , in the picture is the best iv ever used an cannot be beaten in minus temperatures

Have you looked at their Tupike cooker, it's bullet proof build and the burner is much better than that in my Cali or my current Sven Hedin. It's a bit pricey at around £240 but you get what you pay for.

I know you've had issues with your hob inside the van so it could help a little.

 

[Little owl1963]

Have you looked at their Tupike cooker, it's bullet proof build and the burner is much better than that in my Cali or my current Sven Hedin. It's a bit pricey at around £240 but you get what you pay for.

I know you've had issues with your hob inside the van so it could help a little.

Will take a look at that , sounds interesting . Also there is a variant of the iso Butane cannister although its ISO BUTANE does not contain same mix as primus , absolute rubbish in any cold weather its called SUNN GAS useless in cold even at 4 degrees , will post pic of it , also the difference in ratios to primus power gas .
Warning do NOT BUY SUN GAS AVOID AT ALL COSTS IN COLD WEATHER .
Primus power Gas only gas that performs 100 % in sub zero temps.

PS thanks for that Barry just looked Primus Tupike stove , its brilliant also like the ribbed pan supports to stop pans skidding !!!!!!!!

 

[Barry Chuckle]

Will take a look at that , sounds interesting . Also there is a variant of the iso Butane cannister although its ISO BUTANE does not contain same mix as primus , absolute rubbish in any cold weather its called SUNN GAS useless in cold even at 4 degrees , will post pic of it , also the difference in ratios to primus power gas .
Warning do NOT BUY SUN GAS AVOID AT ALL COSTS IN COLD WEATHER .
Primus power Gas only gas that performs 100 % in sub zero temps

I got mine from here, cheapest I could find online https://www.funkyleisure.co.uk/primus-tupike-two-burner-gas-stove-10342-p.asp

 

[Little owl1963]

I got mine from here, cheapest I could find online https://www.funkyleisure.co.uk/primus-tupike-two-burner-gas-stove-10342-p.asp

Thanks Barry just looked it fantastic see my updated post above

 

[Little owl1963]

Do Not buy iso butane gas called SUNN GAS , BY SUNCAMP USELESS IN COLD WEATHER , AN WASTE MONEY .

Stick to PRIMUS POWER GAS AT ALL COSTS NEVER FAILS IN MINUS CONDITIONS .

Primus power gas ️ the best
50% butane
25 % iso butane
25 % propane

By comparison SUNN GAS
IS 70/30
70% BUTANE
15% ISO BUTANE
15 % PROPANE
They state for cold weather. Total non sense.
You will wait hour just boil enough for mug tea , do not buy sunngas for coutdoors in winter.

 

[Little owl1963]

That primus TUPIKE double burner stove is out this world awesome
Must get one.
All excited now. Not seen stove so good an versatile in long time !!!!

Add to my collection
Unleaded stoves single an double
Cadac 2 cook 2 pro
And primus 2 x single sportster stoves
Oh an triangia

Do Not buy SUNN GAS for winter absolutely terrible