Bed stuck down!

[Kjetil]

Great! It’s a 2005 SE Cali.

 

[bob_summers]

Great! It’s a 2005 SE Cali.

ok! looks a lot different to my bed mechanism (6.1).

 

[Kjetil]

This is a Beach? I’m on my phone, can’t see your profile.
Have a look on LLL - They seem to have most parts schematics. I couldn’t find the 3 seat bench but here’s the 2 seater https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/CAMP/1058/0/067/67030

The schematics are without the backrest. My back seat can be lowered to bed position

 

[Kjetil]

This is a Beach? I’m on my phone, can’t see your profile.
Have a look on LLL - They seem to have most parts schematics. I couldn’t find the 3 seat bench but here’s the 2 seater https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/CAMP/1058/0/067/67030

The schematics are without the daybed backrest but I found it here.

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/CAMP/452/0/067/67035

 

[WelshGas]

Update; The backrest is now in upright position again. I managed to get a grip on the loose wire with a flat iron. Now I need to remove the back trim to to get the cable back in position. I afraid I might have to replace the release handle and even the wire, or both left and right wire. Any advice how to remove the trim? Spare parts? I haven’t found the backseat in any of the spare part webb sites.

Exactly what year is your vehicle?

 

[kurienp]

Exactly what year is your vehicle?

from an earlier post - 2005.

 

[NessL]

This is a Beach? I’m on my phone, can’t see your profile.
Have a look on LLL - They seem to have most parts schematics. I couldn’t find the 3 seat bench but here’s the 2 seater https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/CAMP/1058/0/067/67030

If you turn your phone sideways, you’ll be able to see their profile. (It says T5 SE 130)

 

[WelshGas]

from an earlier post - 2005.

Thought so, so parts are going to have to be searched for. Probably not easily available from usual sources.

 

[WelshGas]

The schematics are without the daybed backrest but I found it here.

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/CAMP/452/0/067/67035

Any use?

Volkswagen Parts catalog - ETKA Online, Volkswagen EUROPA, original Catalog Volkswagen EUROPA

Parts catalog Volkswagen - ETKA Search Parts by original number Volkswagen, market EUROPA

volkswagen.7zap.com

Select Campmobile and then Vehicle Year.

part code	title	note	quantity	data model	information
		backrest for bench seat (day bed version) padding for rear seat head restaints F >> 7H-6-040 800 ------------------------------	rear		2004.04 - 2009.05
-		only order complete seat after agreeing in advance and providing vehicle identification number.
3	7H7 067 357 A	backrest frame		1
4		seat belt guide see illustration, item:	857-70,12
5	7H7 067 409 A	locking sleeve		2	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
6		adjusting element no replacement part for this use:	7H7 098 394	2
-	7H7 098 394	bowden cable adjusting element	lower	X
7		pin no replacement part not exchangeable		2
8	7H7 067 407	pressure spring	lower	2
9	7H7 067 406	bowden cable also use:	right lower 7H7 067 413	1;1
9A	7H7 067 413	connecting piece		2
10	7H7 067 082	gas filled strut		1
11	7H7 067 547	bowden cable	upper	2
12	N 90966701	pop rivet	6X13	8
13	N 0123292	retaining washer	9	2
14		pin no replacement part not exchangeable	121X51,5
16	7H7 067 367 F	padding for backrest		1	CALIFORNIA
(16)	7H7 067 367 E	padding for backrest		1	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
17	7H7 067 371 E	upholstery material (cloth)	-BK	1	PR-N2J
(17)	7H7 067 371 A	upholstery material (cloth) F >> 7H-5-200 000	-BL	1	PR-N2M 2004.04 - 2005.05
(17)	7H7 067 371 F	upholstery material (cloth) F 7H-6-000 001>>	-BL	1	PR-N2M 2006.05 - 2009.05
(17)	7H7 067 371 B	padding cover (leather)	-YD	1	PR-N7L
(17)	7H7 067 371 C	upholstery material (cloth) F >> 7H-5-200 000	-EV	1	PR-A8L+N2P 2001.05 - 2005.05
(17)	7H7 067 371 G	upholstery material (cloth) F 7H-6-000 001>>	-EV	1	PR-A8L+N2P 2006.05 - 2009.05
(17)	7H7 067 371 D	upholstery material (cloth) F >> 7H-5-200 000	-EV	1	PR-A8R+N2P 2001.05 - 2005.05
(17)	7H7 067 371 H	upholstery material (cloth) F 7H-6-000 001>>	-EV	1	PR-A8R+N2P 2006.05 - 2009.05
18	7H7 067 369	pocket		1
18A	N 90060201	clamping washer	6X13,5	2
(19)	7H7 067 361 B	rear panel for backrest		1	CALIFORNIA
19	7H7 067 361 E	rear panel for backrest		1	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
20	701 867 299	clip		8
	701867299 3U6	artgrey			2004.04 - 2009.05
21	3B0 867 334	grommet		9
22	3B0 867 333	clip		9
23	7H5 883 920	guide for head restraint, adjustable		2	CALIFORNIA
	7H5883920 3U6	artgrey			2004.04 - 2009.05
24	7H5 883 920 A	guide with push button for adjustable head restraint		2	CALIFORNIA
	7H5883920A 3U6	artgrey			2004.04 - 2009.05
25	7H7 067 421	rotary insert support for head restraint		1	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
26	7H7 067 401 A	adjuster (rake adjustment) also use:	*>>7H-5-009001 7H7 067 547	1;2
27	N 10620801	oval head panel screw	3,5X6,5	2
30	7H5 883 901	head restraint with cover, adjustable (cloth)		2	CALIFORNIA
	7H5883901 PYL	artgrey	-BK,EV		2004.04 - 2009.05
30	7H5 883 901 G	head restraint with cover, adjustable (cloth)		2	CALIFORNIA
	7H5883901G 80U	artgrey	-BK,EV		2009.05 - 2009.05
(30)	7H7 883 901 A	head restraint with cover, adjustable (cloth)		2	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
	7H7883901A RFQ	pure beige/artgrey	-BL		2004.04 - 2009.05
(30)	7H7 883 901 E	head restraint with cover, adjustable (cloth)		2	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
	7H7883901E PYL	artgrey	-EV		2004.04 - 2009.05
(30)	7H7 883 901 B	headrest with cover (leather), adjustable		2
	7H7883901B RFV	artgrey/pure beige	-YD		2004.04 - 2009.05
33	7H7 067 425	thrust piece pressure spring		2	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
34	N 0124412	retaining washer	10	2
35	N 90254701	retaining washer	8X0,50	2
37	7H7 067 079	ball pin		2
38	7H7 885 585	bracket for guide		1	CALIFORNIA
40	N 0133201	spring pin	4X14	4
42	N 10692201	hexagon socket flat head bolt	M4X4	2
43	N 90085202	clamping washer	8X16	2
45	N 90646201	hexagon socket flat head bolt	M6X12	2	CALIFORNIA

OEM catalogs

 

[Kjetil]

Exactly what year is your vehicle?

It’s a 2005 SE (doesn’t that show in my profile?).
I did find the schematics. Also another thread with pictures of the trim removed. I could use some advice on the best way to remove the trim, if there are any certain tricks.

 

[Kjetil]

Any use?

Volkswagen Parts catalog - ETKA Online, Volkswagen EUROPA, original Catalog Volkswagen EUROPA

Parts catalog Volkswagen - ETKA Search Parts by original number Volkswagen, market EUROPA

volkswagen.7zap.com

Select Campmobile and then Vehicle Year.

View attachment 100120

part code	title	note	quantity	data model	information
		backrest for bench seat (day bed version) padding for rear seat head restaints F >> 7H-6-040 800 ------------------------------	rear		2004.04 - 2009.05
-		only order complete seat after agreeing in advance and providing vehicle identification number.
3	7H7 067 357 A	backrest frame		1
4		seat belt guide see illustration, item:	857-70,12
5	7H7 067 409 A	locking sleeve		2	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
6		adjusting element no replacement part for this use:	7H7 098 394	2
-	7H7 098 394	bowden cable adjusting element	lower	X
7		pin no replacement part not exchangeable		2
8	7H7 067 407	pressure spring	lower	2
9	7H7 067 406	bowden cable also use:	right lower 7H7 067 413	1;1
9A	7H7 067 413	connecting piece		2
10	7H7 067 082	gas filled strut		1
11	7H7 067 547	bowden cable	upper	2
12	N 90966701	pop rivet	6X13	8
13	N 0123292	retaining washer	9	2
14		pin no replacement part not exchangeable	121X51,5
16	7H7 067 367 F	padding for backrest		1	CALIFORNIA
(16)	7H7 067 367 E	padding for backrest		1	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
17	7H7 067 371 E	upholstery material (cloth)	-BK	1	PR-N2J
(17)	7H7 067 371 A	upholstery material (cloth) F >> 7H-5-200 000	-BL	1	PR-N2M 2004.04 - 2005.05
(17)	7H7 067 371 F	upholstery material (cloth) F 7H-6-000 001>>	-BL	1	PR-N2M 2006.05 - 2009.05
(17)	7H7 067 371 B	padding cover (leather)	-YD	1	PR-N7L
(17)	7H7 067 371 C	upholstery material (cloth) F >> 7H-5-200 000	-EV	1	PR-A8L+N2P 2001.05 - 2005.05
(17)	7H7 067 371 G	upholstery material (cloth) F 7H-6-000 001>>	-EV	1	PR-A8L+N2P 2006.05 - 2009.05
(17)	7H7 067 371 D	upholstery material (cloth) F >> 7H-5-200 000	-EV	1	PR-A8R+N2P 2001.05 - 2005.05
(17)	7H7 067 371 H	upholstery material (cloth) F 7H-6-000 001>>	-EV	1	PR-A8R+N2P 2006.05 - 2009.05
18	7H7 067 369	pocket		1
18A	N 90060201	clamping washer	6X13,5	2
(19)	7H7 067 361 B	rear panel for backrest		1	CALIFORNIA
19	7H7 067 361 E	rear panel for backrest		1	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
20	701 867 299	clip		8
	701867299 3U6	artgrey			2004.04 - 2009.05
21	3B0 867 334	grommet		9
22	3B0 867 333	clip		9
23	7H5 883 920	guide for head restraint, adjustable		2	CALIFORNIA
	7H5883920 3U6	artgrey			2004.04 - 2009.05
24	7H5 883 920 A	guide with push button for adjustable head restraint		2	CALIFORNIA
	7H5883920A 3U6	artgrey			2004.04 - 2009.05
25	7H7 067 421	rotary insert support for head restraint		1	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
26	7H7 067 401 A	adjuster (rake adjustment) also use:	*>>7H-5-009001 7H7 067 547	1;2
27	N 10620801	oval head panel screw	3,5X6,5	2
30	7H5 883 901	head restraint with cover, adjustable (cloth)		2	CALIFORNIA
	7H5883901 PYL	artgrey	-BK,EV		2004.04 - 2009.05
30	7H5 883 901 G	head restraint with cover, adjustable (cloth)		2	CALIFORNIA
	7H5883901G 80U	artgrey	-BK,EV		2009.05 - 2009.05
(30)	7H7 883 901 A	head restraint with cover, adjustable (cloth)		2	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
	7H7883901A RFQ	pure beige/artgrey	-BL		2004.04 - 2009.05
(30)	7H7 883 901 E	head restraint with cover, adjustable (cloth)		2	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
	7H7883901E PYL	artgrey	-EV		2004.04 - 2009.05
(30)	7H7 883 901 B	headrest with cover (leather), adjustable		2
	7H7883901B RFV	artgrey/pure beige	-YD		2004.04 - 2009.05
33	7H7 067 425	thrust piece pressure spring		2	CALIFORNIA COMFORTLINE
34	N 0124412	retaining washer	10	2
35	N 90254701	retaining washer	8X0,50	2
37	7H7 067 079	ball pin		2
38	7H7 885 585	bracket for guide		1	CALIFORNIA
40	N 0133201	spring pin	4X14	4
42	N 10692201	hexagon socket flat head bolt	M4X4	2
43	N 90085202	clamping washer	8X16	2
45	N 90646201	hexagon socket flat head bolt	M6X12	2	CALIFORNIA

OEM catalogs

Absolutely. There where two, now I’m certain which one. I found a Swiss website selling an aluminum version of the rake adjuster handle (no26). Very expensive. I would guess it’s the upper bowden cable (no11) I need to replace

 

[WelshGas]

It’s a 2005 SE (doesn’t that show in my profile?).
I did find the schematics. Also another thread with pictures of the trim removed. I could use some advice on the best way to remove the trim, if there are any certain tricks.

I had to replace the plastic back plate on mine. Different model, but remove all visible screws. Use plastic trim tools to ease the panel around the edge and some significant force. I would get some replacement plastic fastners as they tend to break. Take your time.

 

[Kjetil]

Thanks. I have now managed to remove the upper part of the back panel trim and also the rake handle to confirm the upper bowden wire is cut off where it is connected to the handle ( se pic). The remains of the wire easily removable. To be able to unhinge the wire I need to remove more of the trim but there are 3 clips behind the pocket and in the bottom (not necessary to remove) that’s really stuck (se last pic). Any tricks before I break the panel in pieces?

 

[WelshGas]

Thanks. I have now managed to remove the upper part of the back panel trim and also the rake handle to confirm the upper bowden wire is cut off where it is connected to the handle ( se pic). The remains of the wire easily removable. To be able to unhinge the wire I need to remove more of the trim but there are 3 clips behind the pocket and in the bottom (not necessary to remove) that’s really stuck (se last pic). Any tricks before I break the panel in pieces?

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You have to unscrew, easier said than done, that central section. The correct sized bit, or an Allen key, heated up and pushed in to melt the plastic. I’ve used that technique in the past on something similar.
Other than that, a trim tool to tease it out or a screw driver with tape around all but the end of the blade to avoid damage to surrounding trim.

 

[westfalia]

After 2005 they changed the mechanism, mine is a 2006 and
to lower the bed I have a release strap which is between the base and the
back of the seat.
I'm sure it is the same function, just that yours has longer wires that extend up
the seat back.
It could be worth investigating if you could 'sort of' upgrade yours to the newer
system ?
Probably worth looking into.

 

[Kjetil]

You have to unscrew, easier said than done, that central section. The correct sized bit, or an Allen key, heated up and pushed in to melt the plastic. I’ve used that technique in the past on something similar.
Other than that, a trim tool to tease it out or a screw driver with tape around all but the end of the blade to avoid damage to surrounding trim.

View attachment 100138

Ah, thanks, so they can be unscrewed! I will give that a try tomorrow with a heated torx bit. I have a trim tool set.
It seem the bowden cable is out of production. That gives me another problem. Maybe @westfalia below has an idea.

 

[Kjetil]

After 2005 they changed the mechanism, mine is a 2006 and
to lower the bed I have a release strap which is between the base and the
back of the seat.
I'm sure it is the same function, just that yours has longer wires that extend up
the seat back.
It could be worth investigating if you could 'sort of' upgrade yours to the newer
system ?
Probably worth looking into.

Thanks. The cable system has two parts, one upper (bowden cable) and one lower cable. If the lower is a generic construction maybe it’s doable. The upper bowden cable seem to be out of production, no where to find.

 

[westfalia]

Thanks. The cable system has two parts, one upper (bowden cable) and one lower cable. If the lower is a generic construction maybe it’s doable. The upper bowden cable seem to be out of production, no where to find.

I'm sure the seat/bed is the same, we just need a parts diagram
from about 2007 onwards.

Hopefully you can then adapt the lower cables, connect them to a strap and glue the
old release back in place.

 

[Kjetil]

I'm sure the seat/bed is the same, we just need a parts diagram
from about 2007 onwards.

Hopefully you can then adapt the lower cables, connect them to a strap and glue the
old release back in place.

But it is such a simple construction. If I could just find any cable with a bowden end (bike cables?) and just tie it to the mechanism, that would probably work.

It seem the LLL parts have the cable in stock but the site won’t accept my registration.

 

[westfalia]

But it is such a simple construction. If I could just find any cable with a bowden end (bike cables?) and just tie it to the mechanism, that would probably work.

It seem the LLL parts have the cable in stock but the site won’t accept my registration.

Is this any use?

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Surely the cables aren't hard to come by.

 

[Kjetil]

Is this any use?

mit Ösen

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Surely the cables aren't hard to come by.

Maybe not, but thanks. The end that goes into the release handle can be seen in the pic in my earlier post.

I managed to register an account at LLL Parts UK and I made a request if the cable will be back in stock again. I can always buy a complete new backrest for 780€ (in stock) or just the cable for 28 .

 

[westfalia]

Maybe not, but thanks. The end that goes into the release handle can be seen in the pic in my earlier post.

I managed to register an account at LLL Parts UK and I made a request if the cable will be back in stock again. I can always buy a complete new backrest for 780€ (in stock) or just the cable for 28 .

Ahh, I see.
Well good luck with the 28€ cable.

 

[nigpdreadingfc]

My rear seat has just been stuck in the down "bed" position and I was trying frantically to pull the centre strap and raise the seat back, but to no avail. The strap was trying to release the catches, but was only moving slightly and not enough to release the mechanism.
My solution was to put all my weight on the seat back and pull the strap, keep tension on the strap and then pull the seat back up into normal position.
This isn't a permanent fix and certainly needs looking into, to see why the strap isn't able to operate the release mechanism properly.

 

[Wild Rover]

My rear seat has just been stuck in the down "bed" position and I was trying frantically to pull the centre strap and raise the seat back, but to no avail. The strap was trying to release the catches, but was only moving slightly and not enough to release the mechanism.
My solution was to put all my weight on the seat back and pull the strap, keep tension on the strap and then pull the seat back up into normal position.
This isn't a permanent fix and certainly needs looking into, to see why the strap isn't able to operate the release mechanism properly.

I had this once and it was due to something in the boot pressing hard against the seat back when it was folded down.

 

[MarmiteBoy321]

We had similar issue with our 2014 T5 Cali Ocean - seat in bed position wouldn't budge at all. Solution? Push down on the seat back whilst pulling up on the strap. You need to push down to free the locking latch. May help some people.