EGR cooler T6 (2017)

[Ciki62]

2 months, 8200 km and EGR cooler is ordered for replacement (T6, 204HP)

Is this common failure also on T6 engines ???

 

[WelshGas]

2 months, 8200 km and EGR cooler is ordered for replacement (T6, 204HP)

Is this common failure also on T6 engines ???

No. Your the first to mention this on the Forum
Just one of those things. Mine went at 900 miles. Probably just a one off manufacturing fault and most likely electrical in the unit rather than mechanical. That's why there is a warranty.
No different to many electrical goods. They'll either work for a very long time or fail very soon.

 

[WelshGas]

What were the symptoms?

 

[2into1]

It would be very interesting (for the oil consumption issue) to know what part number and suffix the egr cooler is. (to hopefully conclude it's a new part vs the T5). If it appears on any paperwork, could you share it here?

 

[veg_frenzy]

It would be very interesting (for the oil consumption issue) to know what part number and suffix the egr cooler is. (to hopefully conclude it's a new part vs the T5). If it appears on any paperwork, could you share it here?

Indeed it would - please provide if you can. Thanks.

 

[craigs902]

Can i suggest you go to this FB page for this issue a lot of info is on there https://www.facebook.com/groups/vwcfca/


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[craigs902]

Please check your EGR if it is an "A" suffix EGR it will fail and do a lot of damage to your engine. Once your engine has started using oil it's too late the damage has been done. The CFCA motors are failing world wide because of this issue. The FB page I mentioned above already has 450 members with the same problem. These are only the ones who are actively seeking answers. If you have any question please join this page for some help.


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[WelshGas]

Please check your EGR if it is an "A" suffix EGR it will fail and do a lot of damage to your engine. Once your engine has started using oil it's too late the damage has been done. The CFCA motors are failing world wide because of this issue. The FB page I mentioned above already has 450 members with the same problem. These are only the ones who are actively seeking answers. If you have any question please join this page for some help.


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But must Disagree with your comments.
1. There is NO Class 1 Evidence to support your comment. Lots of supposition but NO Evidence/Proof.
2. It might not even be the EGR.
3. 450 Facebook members compared with how many vehicles with the CFCA engine sold? And how many members of that group have this problem, not ALL as I am a member and have no problems.
4. There are also many high mileage CFCA engines without this problem.

I'm not denying there may not be a problem with some engines of this type but whether the problem is inherent with the engine, EGR, driving style or some other factor or combination has not been determined.

 

[Jay586]

It does get mentioned a lot on some of the T5/6 Facebook groups & forums.

 

[craigs902]

Point taken but when you have 170 members on TX, 450 members on the FB page others on different forums that I have read and that's only the people trying to find an answer all with the same problem. All Ponting to a Failed or replaced EGR with high oil usage. To me that doesn't sound like a bit of a coincidence. The EGR is the main reason it stuffs the engine due to failure everyone getting oil tests done are coming back with extremely high Al and Si levels including myself on a 2014 "D" suffix EGR.

Now I find it funny how some members of the forum have deleted both the EGR and DPF and now there oil mineral levels are now normal.

To me the evidence is there.

Extreme heat from the turbos are causing the EGR to corrode and fail.


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[WelshGas]

It does get mentioned a lot on some of the T5/6 Facebook groups & forums.

Of course there is a lot of Internet chatter, but Evidence ? No.
I don't know what the cause is and neither does anyone else.

 

[WelshGas]

Point taken but when you have 170 members on TX, 450 members on the FB page others on different forums that I have read and that's only the people trying to find an answer all with the same problem. All Ponting to a Failed or replaced EGR with high oil usage. To me that doesn't sound like a bit of a coincidence. The EGR is the main reason it stuffs the engine due to failure everyone getting oil tests done are coming back with extremely high Al and Si levels including myself on a 2014 "D" suffix EGR.

Now I find it funny how some members of the forum have deleted both the EGR and DPF and now there oil mineral levels are now normal.

To me the evidence is there.

Extreme heat from the turbos are causing the EGR to corrode and fail.


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And what about the thousands of CFCA engines with high milage and NO problems? What has protected them? Frequent oil changes, different driving styles, longer duration trips, different fuel, who knows.
There are millions of Diesel engines using EGR's, and petrol engines, so why do we hear just about the CFCA engine.
There are very few EGR manufacturers for these vehicles so if it was just a particular EGR or alloy used why are other engines not affected?
Is it just Sods Law. As you have pointed out you have the D suffix EGR so ALL EGR's fitted to this Engine " are responsible for raised Al and Si levels, or maybe it is something else.

 

[craigs902]

What about this article then it suggest that all CFCA will fail.
https://honestaboutcars.com/2016/10/25/manufacturing-defects-on-t5-and-a5/


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[Digger]

"The vehicles are too heavy for this type of engine,” claims a representative from Møllergruppen, the importer’s holding company. The bodywork is built in Finland and sold through VBK, a Norwegian coachbuilder. Somewhere else I have read that “… the ambulances work under much more critical conditions than ordinary vehicles.” This refers, among others, to the fact that many engines go straight from a cold start to full throttle. One press spokesman also claims that “just a few ambulances are affected.”

The article seems to suggest that coach built heavier ambulances are involved and being driven from cold at full throttle. Does that not suggest misuse of any vehicle - especially a diesel engined one?

 

[WelshGas]

What about this article then it suggest that all CFCA will fail.
https://honestaboutcars.com/2016/10/25/manufacturing-defects-on-t5-and-a5/


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Just confirms exactly what I have been saying. No evidence just supposition. There was a problem with 2010 - 2011 CFCA engines and this was a manufacturing problem, corrected for the MY 2012. Not ALL vehicles were affected and unfortunately if you were a low mileage user, especially California users, you could just be coming to the point where you MIGHT have problems.
I'm not denying some have had problems but I do not know the cause and neither do you. Posting links to all manner of websites, that also don't know the cause, is NOT evidence.

In fact there was a comment in that article that the Norwegian Ambulances were too heavy for the engine and used in super-critical circumstances. Ultra cold to full revs on repeated journeys.

 

[WelshGas]

Point taken but when you have 170 members on TX, 450 members on the FB page others on different forums that I have read and that's only the people trying to find an answer all with the same problem. All Ponting to a Failed or replaced EGR with high oil usage. To me that doesn't sound like a bit of a coincidence. The EGR is the main reason it stuffs the engine due to failure everyone getting oil tests done are coming back with extremely high Al and Si levels including myself on a 2014 "D" suffix EGR.

Now I find it funny how some members of the forum have deleted both the EGR and DPF and now there oil mineral levels are now normal.

To me the evidence is there.

Extreme heat from the turbos are causing the EGR to corrode and fail.


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Now you say the Turbo is the cause.

The DPF has no part to play in causing the Oil Consumption problems, it is being damaged because of the high oil levels in the exhaust preventing it from regenerating.

 

[craigs902]

Let's agree to disagree, but when I see hundreds of people vans having the exact same problem with the EGR as the common problem that would have to suggest that is the problem. My van was/is also in that category.


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[craigs902]

For anyone who has concerns about the T5 engine a new web page/forum has been started get people together with the same problem take a look at

http://www.t5-life.com/


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[veg_frenzy]

2 months, 8200 km and EGR cooler is ordered for replacement (T6, 204HP)

Is this common failure also on T6 engines ???

Siki62. Did you ever check what the EGR part number is on your vehicle. It would be helpful to those of us who are struggling with this issue on our T5's right now? Thanks.

 

[Rhyddin]

Joined the T6 EGR problem club today.

My 2016 T6 Beach's reverse cameras and sensors failed for no particular reason yesterday. They just stopped working and a loud beep accompanied an onscreen message. Called the dealers today but they couldn't see me until July and suggested I call roadside assistance. Didn't seem like the most appropriate use but called the number and they were there within 90 minutes.

A nice chap called Mark plugged this laptop into the port and showed me that the problem with the sensors was showing, as was an unexpected intermittent thing with my rear A/C control, BUT so was an EGR fault that meant he insisted on me following him to the VW dealers immediately for repair. The VW dealers can see me now!

Anyway, Mark said I was lucky to have got up to 19k miles without the issue making itself known, as he said most go within the first 4/5k miles. Anyway, he sorted me a courtesy car, which arrived not long after he drove me back home, and I am without my Cali for at least 3 days but, I'm assured, less than 2 weeks.

The interesting question is whether the plug in system presented this issue when the van was serviced by the same dealers 7 weeks ago and they just moved on because the engine management light had not illuminated on the dash (which it still hasn't now)? We'll never know, and I shouldn't be so cynical, but Mark was even more cynical about whether they would have mentioned it, had it shown up at the time.

Now, I just have to wait, while driving around in a silver Seat Alhambra, which is literally the most non-descript vehicle I've ever not noticed on the road until today.

 

[Chris Greaves]

Another EGR Cooler to add to the list. 364 days and 10,000 miles before it failed. Anyway, 6 days later and it has been replaced, 2 factory recalls attended to and I am back on the road again.

I had to drive 160 miles with the engine warning lamp on, as advised by VWCS. The average fuel consumption from the last refill dropped to 23mpg! I will be monitoring the next one to make sure it has got back to it's normal 33mpg.

 

[RodCouncil]

So to make Diesels work cleanly you essentially have to make then unreliable?

What a joke and I feel your pain, hopefully no more issues from here on in.

 

[Meoncoast]

The interesting question is whether the plug in system presented this issue when the van was serviced by the same dealers 7 weeks ago and they just moved on because the engine management light had not illuminated on the dash

I would be very suprised if the computer is not plugged in on every service. I would guess the fault was not there 7 weeks ago. Have you asked the dealer. I have had to wait a few weeks for repairs which I would class as non urgent yet been fitted in very quickly when major off the road problem I think that is acceptable as if they dropped everything for non urgent fixes they would not have space to fit in the VOR work.

 

[VWDrooper]

EGR replacement this week, T6 204 DSG with 4100 miles on the clock.

Engine revs were erratic when getting upto operating temperature, no engine management fault lights so plugged in the code reader and got the following codes.

P0101 - Mass or volume air flow A Circuit range
P0401 - Exhaust gas recirculating A flow insufficient
13170
23871

EGR valve/cooler replaced within 48hrs of notifying the garage

 

[G&Ts]

T6 204ps DSG, 13000 miles, was serviced on the Monday, engine wouldn't start on the Wednesday.
Recovered by VW Assist, EGR fault resulted in coolant in the engine.
Engine et al now being replaced under warranty.