Michelin Cross Climate 2 mileage? (235/55/R17/103Y)

[chockswahay]

Hi Team, so having just had these tyres fitted I thought I would ask what kind of mileage other owners are getting. It would be helpful to hear from people with 2wd 150ps T.6.1's although please do feel free to comment if 4wd or different size wheels etc.

Also just to put the 'baby to bed' so to speak, these tyres have a tread depth of 6.5mm from new (does leave me thinking how many miles I will get before they wear down enough to lose their 'winter' status). The chap that fitted them said to keep an eye on tracking as these tyres are particularly sensitive to alignment errors.

 

[Corradobrit]

these tyres are particularly sensitive to alignment errors.

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Not entirely unexpected given the relatively small contact patch of the tread blocks.

 

[BerndRos]

I just had 4 fitted as well, to my 5.1.

ATS gave me the same advice re tracking/alinement.

 

[Azteccamper]

Hi Team, so having just had these tyres fitted I thought I would ask what kind of mileage other owners are getting. It would be helpful to hear from people with 2wd 150ps T.6.1's although please do feel free to comment if 4wd or different size wheels etc.

Also just to put the 'baby to bed' so to speak, these tyres have a tread depth of 6.5mm from new (does leave me thinking how many miles I will get before they wear down enough to lose their 'winter' status). The chap that fitted them said to keep an eye on tracking as these tyres are particularly sensitive to alignment errors.

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Think I got about 22k off my last set - changed them with a bit of tread on but was doing a 3k tour around Europe so put a fresh set on before leaving. Never had a problem with tracking/alignmen. I’ve a T5.1 SE 140bhp

 

[Perfectos]

they do start life with about 7mm tread

I would concur with the 20+k miles. (235x55x17”)

I have done about 22k to date - 3.5 - 4mm tread left.

I switched tyres front to rear to get even wear across the set when the fronts got down to approx 5mm, front wear quicker than rear on 2WD (obvs)

I have 215x60x17“ on the van ATM ,(winter set up) on identical wheels.
The extra road noise and loss of comfort Is noticeable From the 215 tyres.

 

[B J G]

I have the slightly higher profile and SUV version, 235/60/17, which had 6mm tread from new and wear rates are very low on my 4M.

I suspect the low tread depth when new (8mm being quoted normal) may be connected to the deeper the tread the more drag it generates which would relate to fuel usage/pollution figures.

Only having 4mm of wearable tread was worrying initially but so far the wear rate seems to compensate for that.

 

[2into1]

and loss of comfort Is noticeable From the 215 tyres

That's interesting. I thought it was generally held that the 235s were more comfortable because of the lower pressures required.

 

[2into1]

I'm at about 23k on my Cross Climate SUV tyres (the original, not the 2nd version). They look to be wearing lowish but I've been thinking that for the last 10k miles, as they don't start off with much depth compared to many tyres.
They do seem to have more tyre roar now than previously.

 

[pluc99]

You should be able to go below 4mm in Michelins. The tire comparison video in this thread is interesting:
https://vwcaliforniaclub.com/threads/snow-chains-vs-snow-tyres-question.52466/post-681573

 

[BeeBee]

Was looking at these for our Subaru Forester, which doesn’t have a spare just the pain in the butt spray kit.
This may seem like a naive question but when fitting these on the van, what about the spare, does that mean purchasing 5 tyres.

 

[Corradobrit]

Was looking at these for our Subaru Forester, which doesn’t have a spare just the pain in the butt spray kit.
This may seem like a naive question but when fitting these on the van, what about the spare, does that mean purchasing 5 tyres.

Personally I don't think that is necessary. Bit like having the doughnut spare. The idea is that you have enough rubber to get you to the tyre repair center. I'm sure a doughnut could also be carried in the spare wheel carrier. You could also carry a roadside tyre repair kit for nails etc. Save the pfaff of replacing the wheel.

 

[Tarquers]

Agilis cross climate in 21/65/17 150 4motion so not your ideal comparison but about 45k km so far and no signs of wear

 

[Resfeber]

Hi Team, so having just had these tyres fitted I thought I would ask what kind of mileage other owners are getting. It would be helpful to hear from people with 2wd 150ps T.6.1's although please do feel free to comment if 4wd or different size wheels etc.

Also just to put the 'baby to bed' so to speak, these tyres have a tread depth of 6.5mm from new (does leave me thinking how many miles I will get before they wear down enough to lose their 'winter' status). The chap that fitted them said to keep an eye on tracking as these tyres are particularly sensitive to alignment errors.

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Same on the tracking advice.
My T6 150 dsg is my daily driver and used in town and country roads in Cumbria for about 50% of its annual 11k miles.
I had about 25k miles on set 1 of Michelin CrossClimate 2 235/55 R17 Y (103) although rotated front to back on each side in this mileage at about 12 to 13k (NB the tyres are UNi directional so can only go front to back on the same side for rotation unless you get them reverse by taking off the rim and flipping 180deg)
The fronts were down to 3.5mm before a puncture on the front drivers side scrapped the tyre. I decided to ditch the original spare that had had a puncture repair and put the best Cross climate on to this (4mm and less edge wear) and put 2 new on the front.
The rears have just under 4mm so should have another 10k.
Although the vehicle is tracked annually and has had 1 x 4wheel alignment check in 50k + I do note that the rear tyre inner edges wear down faster and the outer edges of each front tyre with the passenger front always wearing faster due to road camber.
Tyres are run at full load pressures
More than happy with the projected 25 to 30k miles per set of 4 (punctures excepted)

 

[Perfectos]

That's interesting. I thought it was generally held that the 235s were more comfortable because of the lower pressures required.

235 are a far better ride.

I was referring to the loss of comfort using the 215 tyres :

“The extra road noise and loss of comfort Is noticeable From the 215 tyres.”

 

[MrAdam]

Here's mine after just 3k km. At first, I thought I was just unlucky but now I think this might be related to the outerwear on the front tires I've been struggling with.

On the day I noticed it, the side wind assist was activated at about 110km/h and that very same wheal (front left) was stopped. That and the outerwear problem seem like a likely cause of this. I did the alignment multiple times and it's always correct. Kind of annoying to hear this is how it is with this car.

I still like the tires, they feel way better compared to the Bridgestone Weather Control A005 fitted in the factory. Quieter, smoother.

 

[Corradobrit]

Here's mine after just 3k km. At first, I thought I was just unlucky but now I think this might be related to the outerwear on the front tires I've been struggling with.

On the day I noticed it, the side wind assist was activated at about 110km/h and that very same wheal (front left) was stopped. That and the outerwear problem seem like a likely cause of this. I did the alignment multiple times and it's always correct. Kind of annoying to hear this is how it is with this car.

I still like the tires, they feel way better compared to the Bridgestone Weather Control A005 fitted in the factory. Quieter, smoother.

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The Bridgestones are a travesty.

 

[pjm-84]

Mine are at 8k and still like new. Replaced all bushes for Powerflex (all bar the front camber are adjustable). Alignment done and no issues. No camber issues / steering straight / tyres wear evenly (about time!)

Not sure on the CC tyres though. Tyre has a very light feel to it and it may benefit from runing lower pressures. The Bridgestone A005 felt more planted in the dry but wear rate was off the scale.

 

[chockswahay]

Mine are at 8k and still like new. Replaced all bushes for Powerflex (all bar the front camber are adjustable). Alignment done and no issues. No camber issues / steering straight / tyres wear evenly (about time!)

Not sure on the CC tyres though. Tyre has a very light feel to it and it may benefit from runing lower pressures. The Bridgestone A005 felt more planted in the dry but wear rate was off the scale.

What pressure are you running on what size?

 

[pjm-84]

on 255/45 18 and 45psi on the front

 

[clarinetbcn]

235 are a far better ride.

I was referring to the loss of comfort using the 215 tyres :

“The extra road noise and loss of comfort Is noticeable From the 215 tyres.”

True, they are a better ride. But facts I have taken into account: the 235 width at equal tire pressure compared to 215s puts less rubber on the ground because due to their wider footprint they don’t squash down as much, resulting in a shorter longitudinal footprint which directly affects braking distance. To compensate for the loss of road contact, they run at lower pressure. The result is that they get road surface contact back, but have higher rolling resistance which lowers fuel economy, and run hotter, which lowers durability. 215s also perform better in winter snow conditions, as they “cut through” better than 235s. All these considerations convinced me to put 215 Michelin Agilis Crossclimates on the van. I do a lot of winter traveling, and they are amazing.

So far I have 30,000km on these, with almost no noticeable wear according to the scale embedded in the tread, so although they were expensive they are turning out to be very economical compared to other brands with much less durability.

Comfort vs economy, durability and superior winter performance. Everyone can choose which they prefer, but they need accurate information in order to make that choice.

 

[mcdonaldneal.]

For info I have just measured the tread depth on our CrossClimate 2 tyres at 3000 miles. All winter driving, mostly on motorways in Europe. Tread looks perfect all round and the tread depth across three points on all four tyres is 6-6.5mm.
We have the 235/55 103Y XL tyres and compared to the 215s we had on before the ride quality is excellent (slightly lower recommended psi.)
Grip on snow and ice down to -10c and below is amazing. Would recommend!

 

[GeoS4]

I have a T6 Coast 150 2wd (living in Ireland). Wheels are 215 x 60 x 17. I use Continentals (Contivan Contact 200) and very pleased with them. Replaced them with 60,000km (just over 37,000 miles) on them. It's my daily driver and I'm pleased with that mileage.

 

[Taglish1]

Hi,
Just to let you know that Michelin Cross Climate 2 235/55 are no longer available, at least for the foreseeable future.
I've checked directly with Michelin and they have non in stock and non planned for manufacture. I could not get any further details and all Michelin stockists in the Midlands have zero stock.
I'll be fitting Goodyear Vectors on the front axle tomorrow (keeping cross climate on rear) and i'll let you know how they perform.
Mike

 

[Corradobrit]

Hi,
Just to let you know that Michelin Cross Climate 2 235/55 are no longer available, at least for the foreseeable future.
I've checked directly with Michelin and they have non in stock and non planned for manufacture. I could not get any further details and all Michelin stockists in the Midlands have zero stock.
I'll be fitting Goodyear Vectors on the front axle tomorrow (keeping cross climate on rear) and i'll let you know how they perform.
Mike

Thats really bad news if you need a replacement. I hope its temporary given how popular they are around here.

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Thats really bad news if you need a replacement. I hope its temporary given how popular they are around here.

Consumer feedback when fitted to other vehicles (mainly outside of UK in more harsh conditions) has been poor when compared against other tyres hence no longer available.

Expect they will launch an improved alternative.