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I live in north east Scotland (as do other members). Many neighbours travel overseas on/off for work on a regular basis in the oil & gas industry.
One was delayed coming home from west Africa for 3 weeks during lockdown - no advice at that stage to quarantine - but his wife (both adult kids recently moved out to live with partners) suggested he self isolated at home... hard work for two of them...
I have another neighbour whose hubby works in Egypt. His back to back was stuck there for 10 weeks (7 weeks longer than normal) whilst flights were sorted. Very lonely times for the family of his back to back... Now he’s out there. So when he comes home, do the whole house isolate? Or just him? They have children who (from my own experience) simply do not understand “please keep away” at the age of 6 and 9... for younger children it would be even harder... And the mother is deemed a critical worker so could be in work (although chosen to work from home at the moment)...
Again, another neighbour‘s husband is away 4/4 weeks in Kazakstan... family here are vulnerable adults.
I have not yet seen how quarantine affects oil industry workers.
This is quite complicated and no one solution fits all.
Fairly obvious, the individual isolates and if he wishes to put his family at risk by isolating with them in the same household, then the whole family self isolates for 14 days or 14 days from the last household member testing positive or getting symptoms. The choice is the individuals.
It's not rocket science although some seem to believe it is. Their choice.
 
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Like I said, armchair warriors who believe they know best and always in hindsight .
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How many of the 400+ cruise passengers repatriated to the UK from Cruise Liners, with infection on board ,actually had the virus during quarantine?
 
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Fairly obvious, the individual isolates and if he wishes to put his family at risk by isolating with them in the same household, then the whole family self isolates for 14 days or 14 days from the last household member testing positive or getting symptoms. The choice is the individuals.
It's not rocket science although some seem to believe it is. Their choice.
I agree. But I’m wondering what will happen in practice as this hasn’t been (as far as I have seen) written in any guidelines.
 
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Probably those who have multiple homes and enjoy travelling between them.
And there are no shortage of those in Iberia. It’s quite straight forward. You show your UK passport on return to UK and your residence permit when hopping to Spain for the weekend. Freedom of movement is a wonderful thing.
 
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I agree. But I’m wondering what will happen in practice as this hasn’t been (as far as I have seen) written in any guidelines.
Why does it have to be written in black and white. Common sense should prevail.
 
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Why does it have to be written in black and white. Common sense should prevail.
If you look around, there are still too much people without common sense.
If all people would take this serious, and follow the common sense, then there would be less problems, but a lot of people think they are invulnerable and keep getting together, getting too close to another without protection.

Even before C19, I tried to keep away from people as much as I can, but most don't.
 
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And there are no shortage of those in Iberia. It’s quite straight forward. You show your UK passport on return to UK and your residence permit when hopping to Spain for the weekend. Freedom of movement is a wonderful thing.
A bit of an anomaly that. Allowed to travel to an alternative address overseas, but not one in the UK - unless you are Dominic Cummings.
 
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Don’t forget, we are all in this together, unless you have ‘connections ‘
 
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A bit of an anomaly that. Allowed to travel to an alternative address overseas, but not one in the UK - unless you are Dominic Cummings.
And what would you do with your 2 children if both you and your wife went down with the virus and were both unwell.? Get the chickens to look after them?
 
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A bit of an anomaly that. Allowed to travel to an alternative address overseas, but not one in the UK - unless you are Dominic Cummings.
Cummings and goings? Ha

squeals of excitement on the Guardian website this morning, they’ve even opened a live updates page on the subject lol
 
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Fairly obvious, the individual isolates and if he wishes to put his family at risk by isolating with them in the same household, then the whole family self isolates for 14 days or 14 days from the last household member testing positive or getting symptoms. The choice is the individuals.
It's not rocket science although some seem to believe it is. Their choice.
Appatently not, no requirement for others in the houseHold to isolate so they can spread from tbere, still I assume Cummings knows a loophole!
Cummings and goings? Ha

squeals of excitement on the Guardian website this morning, they’ve even opened a live updates page on the subject lol
So you condone his behaviour? I have friends who could not attend family funerals to observe the rules..
 
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And what would you do with your 2 children if both you and your wife went down with the virus and were both unwell.? Get the chickens to look after them?
Not drive 250 miles with them in a car, you cannot defend this.
 
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Appatently not, no requirement for others in the houseHold to isolate so they can spread from tbere, still I assume Cummings knows a loophole!

So you condone his behaviour? I have friends who could not attend family funerals to observe the rules..
Absolutely not, I‘m vulnerable and have a dog and if only these stupid arrogant people wouldn’t be so irresponsible and follow rules like the rest of us, we could save our NHS etc etc etc
 
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And what would you do with your 2 children if both you and your wife went down with the virus and were both unwell.? Get the chickens to look after them?
I’m not sure I understand the relevance of your question. I wouldn’t be guided in my actions by DC any more than I’d expect DC would be guided in his actions by me.

We do have unrestricted access to a second home (not mine) and I doubt we’d even consider going there to isolate.

But the question should be, did Cummings have a reasonable excuse to leave the place where he was living to travel and live elsewhere?

I have no comment on that, but will enjoy watching DC squirm.
 
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I’m not sure I understand the relevance of your question. I wouldn’t be guided in my actions by DC any more than I’d expect DC would be guided in his actions by me.

We do have unrestricted access to a second home (not mine) and I doubt we’d even consider going there to isolate.

But the question should be, did Cummings have a reasonable excuse to leave the place where he was living to travel and live elsewhere?

I have no comment on that, but will enjoy watching DC squirm.
People trying to defend the indefensible? funny how the Cabinet have got busy today defending him, if only they been so energetic defending care homes, thousands may have lived on.
 
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And what would you do with your 2 children if both you and your wife went down with the virus and were both unwell.? Get the chickens to look after them?
Fall upon the goodwill of the people, the volunteer services set up, the Parish council support teams, probably most of the things that most of the people have to do that have been ill with this virus. I also presume DC was not ill, I know when I've had flu, even a crap cold, even a slight chill, I would not have the strength and will to drive 250 miles to Mum and Dad.

In fact I would Probably do now what I did with partner away, flattened by flu and two babies to care for with me in Lancaster and Mum and Dad in London. Struggle but get by with a little help from my friends.
 
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Predicable No.10 counter-psych ops were already swinging into action this morning: (1) imply "the press don't have the whole story, how do they know all DC's personal circumstances" etc etc (and no doubt DC's family's right to privacy will have been weaponised by this afternoon's 4pm presser); (2) imply it's just a politically motivated hatchet job (Raab and Sunak's tweets - f'ing offensive to you and me who might actually be concerned without a political agenda); (3) scrabble round to find a nice positive juicy unrelated announcement pulled forward from next week's grid, as a distraction... Boris to announce new testing target of 500,000/day by end June, maybe?

Meanwhile, as Joe Punter I'm just scratching my head to understand what part of "If you're symptomatic, isolate with all your household at home for 7/14 days" doesn't apply if you work at No. 10.
 
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An aside issue that you may have taken into your planing.

Most Vehicle Insurers have a limit of 90 days duration in Europe. Safeguard do but a return to UK resets the 90 day counter. This was also the case with Aviva on my previous car Insurance. One Insurer that I had insisted that the 90 days were on an accumulated basis per year.
May also impact your home insurance in that some insurers dont cover if you are away from your home for more than 90 days.. so worth just double checking..
 
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