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Auberg-ine

Auberg-ine

Is it an office? Is it a lounge? Is it a camper?
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That's one of the greatest fairy tales.
Average 3rd world human consumes like x20-30 less than a western one.
So there is a utopian solution proposed to help with the economic growth of 3rd world countries which in theory slows down the reproduction as in the western world.
Though nobody is talking that whole 3rd world is dreaming about the western lifestyle, which means increasing 3rd world consumption by x20-x30 at the cost of reproduction rate reduction of about 50%

Real solutions are ugly and contradict with the current economy's fundamentals.
(Some 20% of my business is situated in Central Africa, I have a satellite office in Kinshasa etc,.. From what I hear (and see) from local intelligentia (non-politics) is that better education does reduce the size of families, except for the business-political top-class who exceed in excess and decadence in àll fields. Clearly they all want the western bling bling, tv's, phone's, pods and pads,... But not in a scale of complexity we're talking about here. Most people look for things like decent farming, decent irrigation, simple uncomplicated living. There's an incredible agricultural potential which is not used, because of political chaos and bribery, tribal-stupidity conflicts, lost ignorant youth soldiers,...
Just check who's steering after the last Congolese Presidential 'elections'. Check where all the unique rare metals are going to, ....
Education and out of this open communication channels are the basic conditions of all healthy societies. Including ours, clearly.)

Jeez, we indeed drifted Oceans away now....
 
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flying banana

flying banana

T6 Ocean 204ps manual
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Spotted this. Wonder how far it goes loaded up?

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Sp0_0k

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I was seriously dreaming about switching to the electric van for long travels in 2-4 years, but what really surprised me how bad is charging infrastructure in Europe. With all the initiatives like free parking, low tax etc I don't see the most important steps of building a dense infrastructure of charging points, which are technically insanely cheap and easy to build and maintain compared to the classic fuel pump.
I am not talking about superchargers with 90-200 amps capability but at least simple sockets for 20 amps in a place where I can leave a car and enjoy surroundings for 2-3 hours or even better spend a night.

Last camping we stayed at a week ago at Italian Dolomites just proved the point. They had fancy "Green" stickers all over the place.
They wanted 10euros a day for the 10 amps connection which made heating with Diesel cheaper!
And I am noticing more and more campings getting aware of e-vehicles and banning them from charging overnight.
So just another hypocrisy from the western world.
 
soulstyledevon

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^^^^^
Can’t say I blame the campsite owners.
Electricity isn’t free. Why should they burden the cost of your journey...?

I would much prefer campsites to meter electrical usage.
Plus add a fair fee for maintenance and profit to decrease the dependency on electric at a campsite.
 
Sp0_0k

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Good point, it is more "ecological" to heat with diesel which is cheaper than electricity.
 
SusiBus

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374ps / 0-100km/h in 5 seconds / 4WD,
600 km range with wireless charging in 30 minutes.

I've watched all the YouTube videos,
I WANT ONE, I REALLY ONE!

I've got my copy of Sgt Pepper,
I know where Anjuna beach is,
Fancy picking an Afgan coat on the way through to India,
Think I'm up for a bit of free love and a trance party on the beach,
No more Natural Grey or Indium Grey for me, it's yellow or Orange and covered in flowers,

I've got the desire and longing, it's down to the pharmacy for some Viagra to help me produce the goods,
Equity release for the cash,
But I think it will need a little more than Viagra to get VW to come up with the goods in time,
I'm 74 this year! Dream on!
 
Sp0_0k

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For a sedan 20kw per 100km. ~5 eur here if charging at home. No idea how much kw cost on charging stations but I bet way more due to high amps for fast charge.
A minibus will easily eat 30-40kw
~10 euro per 100 km for Diesel 150kw
Almost same, so not impressed. Thank you. :D
 
RodCouncil

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For a sedan 20kw per 100km. ~5 eur here if charging at home. No idea how much kw cost on charging stations but I bet way more due to high amps for fast charge.
A minibus will easily eat 30-40kw
~10 euro per 100 km for Diesel 150kw
Almost same, so not impressed. Thank you. :D
Plus diesel is artificially high due to tax, but it’s absolutely no friend of the environment but neither are in reality unless the electric is truly from renewables
 
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Plus diesel is artificially high due to tax, but it’s absolutely no friend of the environment but neither are in reality unless the electric is truly from renewables
Pretty strange term renewables. Oil is renewable as well. A question of the rates.
To produce all electricity with solar we will have an insane impact destroying unimaginable amounts of territories.
Any methods will impact ecology when growing exponentially with us,
it is just wind, water and solar are such a minuscule part right now that we are too romantic about it.
 
Redrover

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Just had a bit of Googling on how long it would take to fully recharge an electric car on a 10A or 16A supply. (that you would typically find on a campsite). Obviously its going to depend on the battery capacity but the best I could find was on a Tesla forum where there were times of 35hours being quoted.
They (on the Tesla forum) seem to be talking in mph = miles per hour of charging and getting between 2 to 6 miles (range) per hour on domestic 10A sockets.
I follow a few EV channels and they are saying super chargers that can charge at 1000 miles per hour are coming
 
Sp0_0k

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Tesla has max 75kw battery.
10Amps is 2,4kwh, so right over 30 hours. Around 10% is also lost.
But. You need to understand Lion chemistry. It is a good practice to never fully discharge.
Lion has pretty low charge cycles life, below 1k.
So fully discharging, or even worse fast charging is killing it way faster.
Roughly saying. Always charging at 20amps max and discharging to 40% min, can give you like twice more FULL cycles life.
Lifepo4 however can live 2-4k cycles and is safest lithium as of today. Though it is heavier and bigger.
 
RodCouncil

RodCouncil

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Pretty strange term renewables. Oil is renewable as well. A question of the rates.
To produce all electricity with solar we will have an insane impact destroying unimaginable amounts of territories.
Any methods will impact ecology when growing exponentially with us,
it is just wind, water and solar are such a minuscule part right now that we are too romantic about it.
Norway produces 99% of its electricity from hydro, sounds pretty renewable to me trapping rainwater
 
Digger

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We should be investing in tidal rather than wind. Our energy use can never be just renewable unless we restrict allowances. With a population well over 65 million as compared to Norways 5.4 million, we don't have the capacity.
 
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WelshGas

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Norway produces 99% of its electricity from hydro, sounds pretty renewable to me trapping rainwater
Don't forget the environmental cost of the Dams, turbines and transmission systems. ALL forms of energy have these additional environmental costs, some more than others. There are lots of rare metals etc: used in some of the " renewable " technology that can have a significant environmental impact during the refining and utilisation stage.
You don't get something for nothing, there is always a cost. It might be smaller but it is still there.
 
RodCouncil

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Agreed and as others have said the scale for countries such as Norway make it much more viable.

I think in general the UK needs to invest and push greener tech when it comes to energy production, the current mix is way behind and with Conservative rule it’s only going to get worse with reliance on coal and Nuclear.

I’m impressed with my folks solar set up, they sell most of their electricity back and are looking at batteries next so they can stop using other tariffs when they need it at peak times.
 

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