140 v 180

[heroutdoors]

yes familiar with snow chains use - and winter tyres. We've had a BMW so very necessary if travelling in winter conditions.

Winter tyres make a massive difference to the safety of driving in our car - particularly when there is insufficient snow down for chains. Snow chains probably easier to fit on the Cali as more room to move.

thanks

 

[KernowLad]

I had a similar dilemma, but ended up with a 140 (again since a deal was there to be done). No regrets, it drives great and cruises happily on the motorway.

Go for it, if you've seen one you like.

Where in Cornwall?

 

[MisterTea]

sounds good - still so much snow further north.

out of interest has anyone tried winter tyres on a Cali? Snow chains?

Plainly you now have the 4wd - so may never need to think about this again but I'd be interested in what anyone has done on this? If we get the Cali, then it won't be a 4wd - as we don't think there will be sufficient need overall but that would be with the back up of snow chains and winter tyres. The tyres make a massive difference on a car and allow even our rear wheel BMW to go up hills in snow and ice conditions.

Yes I use continental contact 4x4 winter tyres on our 4motion. Perfect for snow and icy conditions like its been here in the peaks for the last few months. As soon as ambient temp stays above 10degC then ill swap to a set of summer rubbers. I've been using winter tyres for years and couldn't get around here safely in winter months without them.

 

[gatvol]

It is obviously budget dependent and also personal preferences. If you do not mind a slower vehicle and longer journey times go 140. This is a classic conundrum with convertibles and other bank holiday type vehicles as slower driving gives you more scenery and less road and wind noise.

It was easy for me, it had to be 180 and dsg as I like to choose when I drive more slowly. 4wd was a toss up as complexity was pitted against marginally better grip that would only be a factor a couple of times a year. Overtaking is an inevitable part of daily driving and faster cars are safer and more fun to drive. Dsg is a faster gearbox for all but the most accomplished of drivers I would think.

Also from an unselfish driving perspective, faster cars impose less misery on other road users than slower ones. I do not stone to death drivers that having been stuck behind a selfish caravan driving 40 mph for half an hour overtake it and slow down to 20mph to educate the selfish fellow driver what being slowed down by 20mph feels like.

 

[emailalipark]

Hi there

I have a 140 SE which I was more than happy with (manual). However when mine was in for a service with VW I borrowed their 180 4WD and the difference was incredible. Much more enjoyable driving and a safer feeling when overtaking. With a slightly jealous feeling in my stomach giving the loaner back I started to investigate tuning options for my miserly 140 and ended up speaking to Richter Sports in MK who specialise in VAG upgrades. £350 later and my pride and joy now packs a better punch that the 180 loaner.

Alastair

 

[heroutdoors]

what changed for the £350? what did they do? what has changed on the fuel consumption as well?

We have our 140 now - which I am entirely happy with. We will be travelling with dogs and don't intend to be giving them a hard time sitting in the back whilst we swing it round corners. But £350 is interesting - as its not much. I can check it out with Richter possibly....

interesting stuff - thanks

 

[choplee]

what changed for the £350? what did they do? what has changed on the fuel consumption as well?

We have our 140 now - which I am entirely happy with. We will be travelling with dogs and don't intend to be giving them a hard time sitting in the back whilst we swing it round corners. But £350 is interesting - as its not much. I can check it out with Richter possibly....

interesting stuff - thanks

I'm glad you love you Cali as all cali's are great whatever spec as not everyone needs everything or wants everything otherwise we would all have the same and god that would be massively boring. .....

 

[KernowLad]

Anyone remapped a 180? I think I'd wait until the warranty is up but it could be interesting.

 

[ExploreCampers]

Anyone remapped a 180? I think I'd wait until the warranty is up but it could be interesting.

I've done a few cars, but never intended to do the Cali. But, today on the way home from Cornwall, I thought perhaps I should as It felt a bit gutless. :doh

Turbo lag is terrible at certain speeds, maybe I have been sold a 140ps!

 

[Stu]

Anyone remapped a 180? I think I'd wait until the warranty is up but it could be interesting.

REVO are apparently doing good things with Amoraks. They have one on their fleet I think.


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[BrendaGoodwin]

I have the 180 auto 4 motion. First on the auto, I'm lazy and really prefer auto but understand many people still prefer manual, it's a personal choice. Second on the 4 motion, we went for that because we planned use the van on trips in the mountains. I have taken the van on 2 ski trips in the French alps this year, ( in fact just got back from a trip yesterday) . On one occasion we were on a very snowy and bendy mountain road late at night and it did cross my mind that I was very pleased that we went for the 4 motion ! It handled very well , but again if you are not planning these kind of trips it may not be worth the extra cost

 

[choplee]

Anyone remapped a 180? I think I'd wait until the warranty is up but it could be interesting.

I've done a few cars, but never intended to do the Cali. But, today on the way home from Cornwall, I thought perhaps I should as It felt a bit gutless. :doh

Turbo lag is terrible at certain speeds, maybe I have been sold a 140ps!

maybe she needs to stretch her legs a bit ,as she's been sleeping for awhile phil ..
mine's getting better the more miles i do now

 

[ExploreCampers]

Anyone remapped a 180? I think I'd wait until the warranty is up but it could be interesting.

I've done a few cars, but never intended to do the Cali. But, today on the way home from Cornwall, I thought perhaps I should as It felt a bit gutless. :doh

Turbo lag is terrible at certain speeds, maybe I have been sold a 140ps!

maybe she needs to stretch her legs a bit ,as she's been sleeping for awhile phil ..
mine's getting better the more miles i do now

The weekend was a good stretch Lee, and we loved it. It did cross my mind to get more power, you can never have enough power and torque!

 

[choplee]

Anyone remapped a 180? I think I'd wait until the warranty is up but it could be interesting.

I've done a few cars, but never intended to do the Cali. But, today on the way home from Cornwall, I thought perhaps I should as It felt a bit gutless. :doh

Turbo lag is terrible at certain speeds, maybe I have been sold a 140ps!

maybe she needs to stretch her legs a bit ,as she's been sleeping for awhile phil ..
mine's getting better the more miles i do now

The weekend was a good stretch Lee, and we loved it. It did cross my mind to get more power, you can never have enough power and torque!

Lol lol ... You youngsters love power ... lol

 

[jmg21]

We have a 180 manual and used a 140 caravelle on a camping weekend. 180 is nippier and not much difference in mpg. Remember to get the van for camping. If your getting a good deal on a 140 then go for it. Our van is used for camping. We never use camp sites and love it. Personally not much difference between 140/180. If it has all the camping accessories and a 140 then go for it. Camp don't pose......

 

[frigorifix]

I have a 180 and tried the 140 of a friend, the difference is "huge"... in terms of mpg, 140 is supposed to be a tiny bit better (if you compare the 4 Motion : minus 0.1 liters per 100 km).
If you only have some money for something : I'd rather a 140 with 4 Motion than a 180 without.

 

[KernowLad]

I have a 180 and tried the 140 of a friend, the difference is "huge"... in terms of mpg, 140 is supposed to be a tiny bit better (if you compare the 4 Motion : minus 0.1 liters per 100 km).
If you only have some money for something : I'd rather a 140 with 4 Motion than a 180 without.

Just a shame you can't get them (140 4motion Cali)!

 

[James]

I have a 180 and tried the 140 of a friend, the difference is "huge"... in terms of mpg, 140 is supposed to be a tiny bit better (if you compare the 4 Motion : minus 0.1 liters per 100 km).
If you only have some money for something : I'd rather a 140 with 4 Motion than a 180 without.

Just a shame you can't get them (140 4motion Cali)!

You can

as an example..

http://carleasingmadesimple.com/busines ... ate/58574/

It's in the latest brochure

James

 

[gatvol]

I fear that it is a sad fact that no matter how fast a car you get, you get used to it within a couple of days an then want a faster one.

I think the only way past this is to get a car that is too fast for your driving skill so that it can actually scare you sometimes, as TVRs could.

 

[KernowLad]

I have a 180 and tried the 140 of a friend, the difference is "huge"... in terms of mpg, 140 is supposed to be a tiny bit better (if you compare the 4 Motion : minus 0.1 liters per 100 km).
If you only have some money for something : I'd rather a 140 with 4 Motion than a 180 without.

Just a shame you can't get them (140 4motion Cali)!

You can

as an example..

http://carleasingmadesimple.com/busines ... ate/58574/

It's in the latest brochure

James

News to me!

 

[ExploreCampers]

I fear that it is a sad fact that no matter how fast a car you get, you get used to it within a couple of days an then want a faster one.

I think the only way past this is to get a car that is too fast for your driving skill so that it can actually scare you sometimes, as TVRs could.

Yup, you always want more power.

But, in reply to the other posts, I don't really see why there is a 140 vs 180 debate, it's not a huge difference. Now if could have bought a 3.0 V6 TDi I would have, just because I think it would make a lovely, silky smooth cruiser. The 140 is perfectly adequate and gives reasonable fuel economy. I did a Euro tour last year with some friends who rented a 140 manual from BMVS, we did 2500 miles and there were only two noticeable differences. Firstly, I could pull up the steep, high speed climbs (ie motorway) a bit easier. Lets say I could maintain 80mph, where as the 140 might drop back to 70mph. There was no real difference in the mountain twisty stuff. We obviously couldn't resist racing out of the toll booths from time to time, but again, there was very little difference. The 140 van had done 10,000 miles and my 180 had done about 1,000 miles by this point, so it's not exactly scientific :doh

The most obvious difference was fuel economy, we would both fill up at the same time, but when I needed fuel again, the 140 still had about 1/4 of a tank.

So, would I have a 140, of course. It does everything it needs to do, and if you don't tick the options box for DSG and 4Motion, you have a vehicle that is much better value for money. This will then have a knock on effect when you come to sell as a used vehicle, as it will be accessible to a much wider audience and actually become more desirable.

 

[frigorifix]

The most obvious difference was fuel economy, we would both fill up at the same time, but when I needed fuel again, the 140 still had about 1/4 of a tank.

No other differences than the horsepower between the 2 of you ? I've done the same test with a friend : 140 4MO vs 180 4MO = absolutely no difference in terms of fuel consumption. If you look at the official specs : from 140 to 180, there's 0.1 liters per kilometers...

 

[ExploreCampers]

The most obvious difference was fuel economy, we would both fill up at the same time, but when I needed fuel again, the 140 still had about 1/4 of a tank.

No other differences than the horsepower between the 2 of you ? I've done the same test with a friend : 140 4MO vs 180 4MO = absolutely no difference in terms of fuel consumption. If you look at the official specs : from 140 to 180, there's 0.1 liters per kilometers...

True, but it also says my 180 should do 36.2 mpg combined, it doesn't.

I'm talking about a real journey over 2500 miles, real speeds, various road types and two different engines, two people in each van. The above, are our observations, it may or may not help the people trying to decided which to buy.

 

[beardie]

I think the tendency will be for the 180 driver to use the extra power when accelerating etc using more fuel even if it is the same route as the 140 driver. This won't be shown in the official figures that are probably from a computer controlled journey profile on a rolling road (the only scientific way to get repeatable results). The journey profile won't touch the areas of performance that a 180 can provide

 

[NickE]

Just wondering ... other than driving it or lifting the bonnet, how do you tell the 180 from the 140?