I heard a concern somewhere about this. The saturated bellows hold a lot of water. When you close the lid this has to go somewhere and that isn't to the outside world.
We shut out roof with wet bellows and the water stayed in the bellows, which were then laying horizontal. We didn’t get any internal seepage, but when we put the roof up again it leaked again, presumably because of gravity now it’s vertical again.
You won’t find a scrap of wood or MDF in a Cali. It’s all aluminium and plastic. Mould on fabrics & carpet is the biggest risk.
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Different category completely, Cali isn’t a car, It’s a campervan designed to sleep a family of 4 in, hence the reason for motor caravan on the logbook.Family cars for £70k and you cannot sleep a family of 4 in any one of them.
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Does the ‘wood’ floor have a plywood base to it?
You can only sleep a family of 4 in a 2023 Cali if it’s not raining. It’s sold as a camping vehicle. If I had a tent that leaked like my Cali did I would return it for a refund. Not different with the Cali. I don’t see why this is so difficult to understand.Family cars for £70k and you cannot sleep a family of 4 in any one of them.
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I encourage you for being a little more subtle
Anyway: It’s the newest, double layer canvas that is not fit for purpose and it is right to respond firmly.If something is awful , I’ll say it’s awful. If something isn’t fit for purpose I’ll say it’s not. Whatever it is.I encourage you for being a little more subtle
May I add: If you would know the california, you’d know it’s very well fit for it’s purpose and wouldn’t start the resentment like you did by repeating it’s awful. Did you do that on all the other forums with your years of membership? Guess it would go the same way like it did here.
You mentioned a lot it’s price tag but did you compare, not with conversions -sometimes even based on a secondhand panelvan- but with real competition like westfalia Kepler six, stylevan Melbourne, westfalia Marco Polo, Pössl campster, Tonke van, a Reimo campervan and others? Look at their prices! Do you know about their issues? E.g. broken/ cracked roofs and also water seepage. I don’t think it’s that cut and dry.
You can make your own decisions and say how you see it but be a little more subtle.
I hope it will be sorted out soon and meanwhile you can try to think constructively, others with the same problem can. I don't want to upset you and you've clearly had it with your cali (do you have one or not? Have you traveled with it or driven it at all?). You're a little too direct for me to agree completely but I understand you somehow; I’m honest about my cali and had nasty comments for being like that but I’m also a very big fan of my van. If you choose not to have a cali I wish you all the best with whatever you buy.
And btw, I don’t need to be subtle.I encourage you for being a little more subtle
May I add: If you would know the california, you’d know it’s very well fit for it’s purpose and wouldn’t start the resentment like you did by repeating it’s awful. Did you do that on all the other forums with your years of membership? Guess it would go the same way like it did here.
You mentioned a lot it’s price tag but did you compare, not with conversions -sometimes even based on a secondhand panelvan- but with real competition like westfalia Kepler six, stylevan Melbourne, westfalia Marco Polo, Pössl campster, Tonke van, a Reimo campervan and others? Look at their prices! Do you know about their issues? E.g. broken/ cracked roofs and also water seepage. I don’t think it’s that cut and dry.
You can make your own decisions and say how you see it but be a little more subtle.
I hope it will be sorted out soon and meanwhile you can try to think constructively, others with the same problem can. I don't want to upset you and you've clearly had it with your cali (do you have one or not? Have you traveled with it or driven it at all?). You're a little too direct for me to agree completely but I understand you somehow; I’m honest about my cali and had nasty comments for being like that but I’m also a very big fan of my van. If you choose not to have a cali I wish you all the best with whatever you buy.
FIFY.
Oh man, stay as you are; you clearly aren’t fit for reason and didn’t get anything I wrote. Did you even read it? Your loss, not mine. Then stay stubborn and believe in yourself being right. I tried to be comprehensive, you clearly don't want this. No problem, I got better things to do then. Bye
Hahaha my loss, not sure I’ve lost anything. Why is everyone so offended by me saying the Cali isn’t fit for purpose ! If your Cali leaks , it’s not fit for purpose .
Probably because you might feel YOUR Cali isn’t fit for purpose when thousands of us have vans that are.
Once again…. I have that choice . And it’s my choice… no one needs to get offended by my remarks about how awful they are .
Yours may not be fit for your purpose, but many are.
Not difficult to understand. So return it!
Crack on then. No need for you to be Here.
Shame the garage roof isn't a bit higher - you'd have *the* driest pop-top!!!!
Since you raise the point, what exactly is your need to be here, @Joncali2023!! ? It is puzzling to me.
Have you read the thread ?
When you use emotive language (e.g. woeful) don’t be surprised when you provoke emotion.
I have read the whole thread, and contributed (I hope helpfully, or at least with sympathy) - though I have one of the few MY2023 with the older fabric bellows.
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