alloy wheels

[bernie]

I've got a California T5 with 17" alloys. I'm looking at the RIAL Oslo silver ones at £299 for 4. Could anyone tell me please 1. are they ok? 2. Does the VW emblem fit in place of the RIAL logo in the centre of the alloys ?
ps 4 alloys from VW are about £1000

https://www.wheelbasealloys.com/alloy-wheels/rial/oslo/silver/17-inch

 

[Max-Felix]

They look superb for the money but as you probably know always make sure they are properly certified as regards to weight loading for a Transporter/Cali.

 

[bernie]

Thanks Max. I emailed wheelbasealloys and they just said 920kg. Would that be per wheel in which case they might be ok i.e. 3,680kg in total. My T5 has a gross vehicle weight of 3,000kg and a gross train weight of 5,200kg ( whatever that is )

 

[Max-Felix]

Must be per wheel but I would check the VWT4 forum as there will be lots more on this sort of thing on there regarding modding, alloys, etc.

 

[calikev]

You need to find the axle weights front and back. if say the front is 1300kg and rear say 1400kg take the largest figure and half it so in this case 700kg that is the minimum load rating per wheel. These are only made up figures for this explanation you need to look at your own vehicle. 920kg is a good load rating

 

[sidepod]

Here's the link to their website. Select whatever size/offset you want and check the loading on the certificate. Oslo is listed under old certificates. You have 120x5 PCD..

http://rial.de/en/gutachten_abe/#sc-tabs-1494332701542

 

[AlanC]

Have a look on the bulkhead at the back of the engine on the left side in font of the drivers position. Will be behind the air filter.

You should see a plate there detailing the weights each axle supports. Not easy to find or read as I recall.

On mine the load rating of the suspension for a VW T5 California SE Face Lift 2010

Front axle-1550
Rear axle-1575

Alan

 

[bernie]

the VW Suez Alloys say

"Maximum axle weight = 1750kg"

I assume that this means for two wheels. So, 920kg per wheel for the RIALs gives an axle weight of 1840kg i.e. more than 1750kg

On that basis, if I am right, they should be ok. 1750kg per 2 wheel gives a total of 3,500kg in total. My van's gross weight is 3,000kg so that allows an extra 500kg in passengers and luggage

 

[B J G]

the VW Suez Alloys say

"Maximum axle weight = 1750kg"

I assume that this means for two wheels. So, 920kg per wheel for the RIALs gives an axle weight of 1840kg i.e. more than 1750kg

On that basis, if I am right, they should be ok. 1750kg per 2 wheel gives a total of 3,500kg in total. My van's gross weight is 3,000kg so that allows an extra 500kg in passengers and luggage

Just because the wheels can carry more than the vehicle gross doesn't mean you can exceed the vehicle gross weight limit.
3000kgs remains at 3000kgs regardless of wheel/tyre specs.

Just incase you were thinking you could load an extra 500kgs.

 

[bernie]

I assumed that the gross weight was an empty van. I don't plan on taking more than about 200kg in passengers and luggage. It also says in my spec"gross train weight=5,200kg" but I don't know what that means

 

[Max-Felix]

I assumed that the gross weight was an empty van. I don't plan on taking more than about 200kg in passengers and luggage. It also says in my spec"gross train weight=5,200kg" but I don't know what that means

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained

 

[bernie]

Thanks. So the gross weight includes the empty van plus passengers plus luggage. So, the RIALs can support 4X920kg= 3680kg which is more than the gross weight. So should be ok

 

[sidepod]

Does the certificate on the Rial website say 920kg or is that the bulls**t the wheel guy gave you?

I'm sure the cert I looked at said 860kg.

 

[bernie]

Thanks. Wheelbasealloys replied to my email asking for weight spec.

http://www.exploria-online.co.uk/alloy-wheels.aspx suggest a minimum of 860kg is needed for a T5

 

[sidepod]

Here you go. Oslo wheels are 830kg

 

[bernie]

Thanks again. So not a bargain if they are not up to the job i.e. load=830kg

 

[andyinluton]

You need to find out what your maximum axle weight is.
AlanC above said his plated rear axle weight was 1575kg half that is 772.5kg so wheels rated at 830kg would be ok. I seem to remember that 4motions had a higher load rating that the 2wd cali.

If you filled in your details on your profile we would know what van you had.

 

[B J G]

I assumed that the gross weight was an empty van. I don't plan on taking more than about 200kg in passengers and luggage. It also says in my spec"gross train weight=5,200kg" but I don't know what that means

gross weight is the MOST the Cali can weigh if put on a weighbridge. ie if you are fully loaded with gear & passengers.
gross TRAIN weight is when a trailer is attached the combined weight of both Cali & trailer maximum is 5,200kgs. ie max trailer gross being 2,200kgs. shown in handbook as maximum braked trailer weight, again it is the total weight of a trailer including goods.

 

[bernie]

My T5 California comfortline is reg 2005 130BHP and 2.5tdi engine

 

[andyinluton]

Not easy to read but VW website below suggests all current Oceans have max front axle load limit of 1610kg so minimum load rating on wheel would be 805kg.


California Ocean Model/gross



vehicle weight (kg) Axle
load limit
front/rear (kg) Trailer weight
braked 12%/
unbraked (kg) Gross train
weight (kg) Unladen
weight
(kg ) 1 Payload
(kg) 2
2.0TDI 150PS EU6
BMT 6-speed manual 3,000 1,610 / 1,575 2,500 / 750 5,200 2,538 462
2.0TDI 150PS EU6
BMT 7-speed DSG 3,000 1,610 / 1,575 2,500 / 750 5,300 2,562 438
2.0TDI 150PS EU6 4MOTION
BMT 6-speed manual 3,080 1,610 / 1,575 2,500 / 750 5,300 2,665 415
2.0TDI 204PS EU6
BMT 6-speed manual 3,000 1,610 / 1,575 2,500 / 750 5,200 2,571 429
2.0TDI 204PS EU6
BMT 7-speed DSG 3,000 1,610 / 1,575 2,500 / 750 5,300 2,598 402
2.0TDI 204PS EU6 4MOTION
BMT 6-speed manual 3,080 1,610 / 1,575 2,500 / 750 5,300 2,675 405
2.0TDI 204PS EU6 4MOTION
BMT 7-speed DSG 3,080 1,610 / 1,575 2,500 / 750 5,300 2,695 385

 

[sidepod]

I guess ultimately all that matters is what figure the insurance people use.

As long as you're at least equal to that then all is good.

 

[B J G]

830kgs too marginal for my liking.
My T6 4M has plated 1620kgs front axle. 810kgs per side. If one wheel was loaded by being on a bump this would be exceeded.
The 235/55/17 tyres are load rated at 103 which is 875kgs therefore the wheel cannot be less than that. No if's or but's.

 

[andyinluton]

The load ratings take account of hitting bumps etc , you wouldn't expect the "axle" itself to fail just because you parked on a sideways slope that loaded up one side more than the other?

Why cant you have tyre rated for a higher load than the wheel? all the limits are minimum ratings theres no mention anywhere of maximum ratings.

 

[sidepod]

I'm running 900kg rated units with 101 tyres.

 

[B J G]

The load ratings take account of hitting bumps etc , you wouldn't expect the "axle" itself to fail just because you parked on a sideways slope that loaded up one side more than the other?

Why cant you have tyre rated for a higher load than the wheel? all the limits are minimum ratings theres no mention anywhere of maximum ratings.

Tyre can be rated much higher than rim/wheel but the lower rating would apply.

My point is that the Cali factory spec is for 235/55/17 103 load tyres. The rim must be able to take that load, or more, as a minimum or you would be breaking all sorts of legal issues.

I have both Devonport and Timaru 17" VW alloys and couldn't find a weight indication on either rim type.

Check your Cali wheel and tyre ex-factory spec and make sure that any replacement equals or betters that and you won't go wrong.