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@racali - I believe the M&S refers to mud and snow, so basically will pass as a winter tyre if you go off to the Alps in February for example.

Agree though that the load and letter ratings are confusing. @Elmo3 do you have a pic of the plate? Not sure what I'm looking for. Don't get why that would differ to the sticker?
I’m just reading the information stated in your photograph of the plate on your vehicle.
 
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Hi All,

I've searched the various threads in the forum and can't seem to find a specific answer to my query, so apologies in advance if it's been covered elsewhere.

Basically I'm getting 4 new all season tyres on the Beach I bought back in July. The ones on there aren't great and the front passenger side is wearing badly, so think the tracking needs sorting as well.

I had Crossclimates on my old A6 and loved them, felt very planted. I want to get the same tyres on the Cali, but am a little unsure when it comes to load rating. A lot of the posts on here seem to suggest you should be looking at 103 minimum, however the door sticker seems to suggest 102. Pic attached.

I have the original 16 inch alloys on there, so from the pic I think 215/65 with a 102 load rating would be fine? This is the exact match of the Crossclimate.

I called a tyre place near me yesterday who advised me to steer away from these tyres due to wear, and instead go for the Crossclimate Agilis, which are the more van focused, harder wearing, higher load rating (106 I think) tyre (and my guess is probably also a harsher ride). The problem is going for the Agilis would push the price up by about £100, but main concern is noise. The db value for the Crossclimates is 69, but 73 for the Agilis, and I'd like a quieter tyre.

Anyone got any experience with either before I flip a coin?

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Cross climate all the way. Db scale is logarithmic so the difference between 69 and 73 will be noticable. Don't go for cross climate SUV version just the XL 103. The SUV has thicker side walls so less compliant/comfy. Once fitted be sure to measure tyre wear across the whole tyre regulary (along with tyre pressures) and rotate tyre positions accordingly once tread lowest tread depth is at 4.5 mm.
Had Hunter 4 wheel alignment carried out after my original tyres wear pattern was very uneven on the front inside edges. Now my 4 motion Ocean runs cross climate tyres XL 103. They wear down evenly with slight exception of left hand rear inside edge. I rotate at tyres at 4.5 mm measured depth at lowest point and will replace all 4 tyres at the same time and typically after19,000 miles covered
 
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Db measurement is made externally to the vehicle and in a controlled manner.
This won’t reflect the same in real world driving situations.

Therefore, Db levels IMO aren’t worth worrying about as there are to many influencing factors once fitted to the car, to make a significant difference...
 
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Db measurement is made externally to the vehicle and in a controlled manner.
This won’t reflect the same in real world driving situations.

Therefore, Db levels IMO aren’t worth worrying about as there are to many influencing factors once fitted to the car, to make a significant difference...
Your are entitled to your opinions but not to the facts. Dd difference of 69 verses 73
Db measurement is made externally to the vehicle and in a controlled manner.
This won’t reflect the same in real world driving situations.

Therefore, Db levels IMO aren’t worth worrying about as there are to many influencing factors once fitted to the car, to make a significant difference...
You are of course entitled to your opinions but not to the facts. A 4 Db reduction is equivalent to more than 50% reduction to noise tyres generate outside the car. Stand at the side of a busy road to see just how much noise tyres make! I accept perception inside the car will not be a 50% reduction in overall noise levels. But a 4 Db difference will not be insignificant and worthy of consideration. Let's not forget environmental noise pollution too. Just saying.
 
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The Agilis is a completely different beast as you suspect. I'd avoid them as the ride is harsh enough and more road noise is never good.
You are completely to wrong! Tha Agilis is brilliant. Correctly load rated, side wall protection and a longer wearing compound than car Cross Climates. They are not noisey or hard. I will not use anything else on our campervan. I want security, safety and 3 peaks rating .
 
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I specified my T6 Beach with All Weather tyres. VW fitted Continental VancoFourSeason 2 215R16
Excellent, hard wearing tyre.
The original front tyres did nearly spent 28k miles on the front, then 5k on the rear before being changed with 3mm of tread left.
The original rears, did 28k on the rear and another 19.5k on the front. Tracking killed the FNS, and they were replaced at 47,500 miles.
Good grip, not noisy.
 
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I have Cross Climate + fitted to my VW Caravelle. They don’t seem to wear out any quicker than any other tyres I have fitted. They seemed fine and I would buy them again. Never got to use them in the snow but they seem ok in the dry and wet. That said I have never approached the limit of the tyres.
Make sure you get the load rating for the vehicle. I have just brought a V Class and dealer fitted new tyres before I picked it up. I was checking the tyres and they were the wrong load rating. They were 98 instead of the 102. These have been changed by the dealer after a bit of discussion.
 
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“....changed by the dealer after a bit of discussion.” Cracked me up!
 
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You are completely to wrong! Tha Agilis is brilliant. Correctly load rated, side wall protection and a longer wearing compound than car Cross Climates. They are not noisey or hard. I will not use anything else on our campervan. I want security, safety and 3 peaks rating .
There are two of you on the forum that believe they are the best pick for all round use in the UK vs 30 or so singing the praises of cross climates. I guess neither of us has done side by side comparisons.
I've come from 'proper commercial tyres' to the cross climate SUV model, so can speak from that similar experience.

The other supporter of the Agilis is running the narrower model at high pressures the narrow tyre calls for, which kills the comfort over pot holes.
 
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There are two of you on the forum that believe they are the best pick for all round use in the UK vs 30 or so singing the praises of cross climates. I guess neither of us has done side by side comparisons.
I've come from 'proper commercial tyres' to the cross climate SUV model, so can speak from that similar experience.

The other supporter of the Agilis is running the narrower model at high pressures the narrow tyre calls for, which kills the comfort over pot holes.
I've noticed how some have some sort of divine belief that they are correct in all things.

Sad as they tend to stop reasonable discussions on here.
 
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Good afternoon,

Since about 2x years I have the Michelin CrossClimate+ installed. To ensure that I won't make a mistake, I ordered and arranged the change of tyres at my local VW Garage from where I bought the Ocean. Hoping doing so that only appropriate tyres will be installed. The disadvantage was that it was more expensive.

So far I had no problems with the tyres. Most of the time the front wheel spin can be avoided with the better grip, noise is no problem, more diesel usage seems not to be the case, and even after 35,000 km the wear of the tyres is ok and so far I did not get stuck somewhere in a field (touch wood).

Going forward I will replace them with Michelin CrossClimate SUV same size and specification, but from a garage closer to me, which will save me at least EUR 100.00.

Happy California,
Eberhard
 
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So can you fit the standard CC to the rear and the commercial to the fronts...?

Or will the different compounds affect driving. A bit like you should never mix standard tyres and winter...?
 
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I wouldn't expect any issue with the compounds but the different tyre structures will have different sidewall rigidity.
This may have handling issues especially as quite different pressures are also utilised.
I doubt if illegal but I'd personally have all 4 C rated or all 4 XL only rated.
 
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I missed who was suggesting that?
Sorry.
I should clarify. I currently run CC XL and was considering moving over to the commercial CC to compare.
The rear tyres are still fine, so would only need to change the fronts...

Probably best to stick with the XL.
They’ve been fine so far. Not the best mileage, I should probably go easy with the fun pedal.
 
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Sorry.
I should clarify. I currently run CC XL and was considering moving over to the commercial CC to compare.
The rear tyres are still fine, so would only need to change the fronts...

Probably best to stick with the XL.
They’ve been fine so far. Not the best mileage, I should probably go easy with the fun pedal.
Equally sorry, I read "so you can fit...." rather than "so can you fit....". Should have gone to specsavers!
 
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Equally sorry, I read "so you can fit...." rather than "so can you fit....". Should have gone to specsavers!
Apologies, my bad grammar.
 
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So I just re-read this thread and had a quick look elsewhere.
What’s the difference between CC+ and the SUV. Is it just a stiffer sidewall...?
I’m guessing tread pattern is exactly the same?
 
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Good morning,

I was interested in the BF Goodrich Urban Terrain tyres (at the moment I use Micheline CrossClimate+). But it seems that the Urban Terrain was not available in the size I was looking for. So I contacted Michelin.

I got an email back that it is correct the Urban Terrain is not avialalbe in my size, but they would recommend the CrossClimate SUV. Here is part of the info I got:
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However I want to inform you that we do have MICHELIN CrossClimate SUV tyre available in tyre size 235/55 R17 103H.
MICHELIN CrossClimate SUV have also like BFGOODRICH Urban Terrain T/A tyre 90% on-road and 10% off-road aptitude.
...

Looking at the pictures of the various forms of the CrossClimate+ the look all the same to me. But based on the email from Michelin it seems that there are difference.

Next year I willl need to replace the tyres and will go for the CrossClimate+ SUV.

Happy California,
Eberhard
 

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