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Barry Chuckle
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Thanks, I have seen these pop up on Autotrader, but aren't they over 3.5t so requiring a C1 license?
Thanks, I have seen these pop up on Autotrader, but aren't they over 3.5t so requiring a C1 license?
Largely agree with this. With this in mind, the time to sell a fairly new (2023) van would be a few months after the order books have closed, or in 2025, and the t6.1 becomes more scarce. And ideally once the bellows have been replaced with something effective.I can see how, in the short term, values could be under pressure. When looking at a fairly new van, the current list price is irrelevant, because a decent discount on a factory order is possible, you get 5 year warranty and servicing but most importantly, 5 years 0% finance on 50% of the balance.
Even if you have the cash, you can earn circa 5% risk free on your £35K or so. Work out the present value of that over a 5 year term, it’s thousands of pounds of essentially further discount. Your 6 month old 80K list price van is suddenly worth circa 65K new, so needs to be less than that to sell used.
Thanks, I have seen these pop up on Autotrader, but aren't they over 3.5t so requiring a C1 license?
Many thanks they look really nice, and seem really well priced.They are 3.5t
Yep and not finished yet unfortunately mate, going in for another replacement bellows on the 12th of March.thanks @Jimmylondon07 forgot you were having a torrid time with the bellows saga. I may well look at borrowing one as despite my prejudices 'you can't knock em until you've tired em'
I was chatting to the Westfalia dealer earlier this week and they told me that Westfalia don't expect the new Crafter to be ready (or at least ready for conversion) until the end of 2025 so have already allocated the current shape crafters until the end of 2025. Not sure if that means anything for the GC but perhaps don't expect anything completely new until 2026
Hope you finally get there and the bellows will be your last!Yep and not finished yet unfortunately mate, going in for another replacement bellows on the 12th of March.
Good info regarding the Crafter facelift, it’s still pretty vague on when that will start making it through to the GC. At this stage I think I’d be happy to wait for it but obviously the deals won’t be anywhere near as good as they are now.
Largely agree with this. With this in mind, the time to sell a fairly new (2023) van would be a few months after the order books have closed, or in 2025, and the t6.1 becomes more scarce. And ideally once the bellows have been replaced with something effective.
It's also going to depend on how well received the replacement is and it's demand.Also depends how much the new multivan Cali is going to cost. I can see an Ocean equivalent being well into the 80’s.
It's also going to depend on how well received the replacement is and it's demand.
Can anyone recall what happened to T5 values when the new T6 was launched?
Many thanks they look really nice, and seem really well priced.
Can't get my head around why Hymer Grand Canyons are so expensive, I know they're based on the Sprinter, but surely that's not more desirable than the Crafter/Man Chassis?
I saw this and I feel really grateful for someone having gone through this analysis. It does support what I observed in the market just this month. We purchased our Beach last February and I have just seen the same Beach I was looking at last year, advertised this year again for the same asking price. Initially, I thought that it was just a coincidence but the above pretty much proves it. The new van market is going up and it takes the used car market alongside with it. I do wonder if there is a theoretical ceiling for the new van price as 75k new seems pretty steep but essentially the depreciation should be relatively minimal (especially compared to your typical a->b cars - i.e. 60% in 5 years or similar)A slow afternoon in the office, so I typed in the age, mileage and price for 50 of the California Oceans and SEs on sale in AutoTrader today and ran some very basic stats.
89% of the quoted prices on AutoTrader for California Oceans and SEs are explained by the formula £76,770 less £3,439 per year. That 89% (the R-squared) suggests a strong correlation between age and price. You can see the scatter chart below, assuming I have pasted it correctly.
So for example, the formula suggests that the advertised price for a brand new Ocean is £76,770, and that the average price for a 10 year old SE is £76,770 less £34,390 which is £42,380.
I wouldn't expect someone to pay the asking price on AutoTrader, so actual prices price might be (say) 5% - 15% lower. That doesn't matter too much so long as the negotiated prices are roughly the same percentage of the asking price for all ages and values.
I would expect - if market conditions remain the same - the AutoTrader asking price for a California bought now to drop by around £3.5k, or about 5%, per annum.
New car prices rise each year, so a new California bought 10 years ago would have cost less than £76,700. If new car prices had risen by 5% per annum (not compounded) over that period, then someone buying a Cali 10 years ago might have paid around £42,380 at the time for a new van, and therefore wouldn't have experienced much if any depreciation at all. In fact I found a table in another post (see below) showing OTR prices in 2014 varied from £45k - £52k, so someone buying at list price in 2014 would likely have experienced a very small amount of depreciation - perhaps £500 per year, on average. A shrewd negotiator who looked after their van could easily see no depreciation or even (as some people here are saying) gains.
Someone contemplating buying a 2019 (5 year old) van would, using my formula, expect to see asking prices of about £59.5k, and assuming they negotiate that down by 10%, pay about £54k.
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I saw this and I feel really grateful for someone having gone through this analysis. It does support what I observed in the market just this month. We purchased our Beach last February and I have just seen the same Beach I was looking at last year, advertised this year again for the same asking price. Initially, I thought that it was just a coincidence but the above pretty much proves it. The new van market is going up and it takes the used car market alongside with it. I do wonder if there is a theoretical ceiling for the new van price as 75k new seems pretty steep but essentially the depreciation should be relatively minimal (especially compared to your typical a->b cars - i.e. 60% in 5 years or similar)
Hi,
I have a budget for either a Cali, year 2016-19 with mileage important to me. One issue I'm struggling with is depreciation calculations. I've looked on various sites and there is such a variation of how to calculate so I would appreciate advice of real owners. A percentage figure of a from date (purchase) to now or recently sold would be great help. No cash cost needed, second hand I would think is more accurate than new to second hand but any advice would be better than none.
Thanks you
Keith
I had my T5 for 13 years and sold it for £4000 less than I paid. Very happy with that
My Beach in 2011/12 was £32k. Sold 5 years later for £25k.
I was pretty happy at the time, wish I still had it truth be told. Probably still worth £25k…
What van you getting…?
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