Pet travel after brexit

[BerndRos]

Is no one responsible for their own actions and subsequent consequences anymore.

True, but in this touchy feely world that we live in, where we obsess about 5p carrier bags & our carbon footprint, cleansing our conscience, we are harder than most regimes that we criticise.

 

[Amarillo]

Is no one responsible for their own actions and subsequent consequences anymore.

Most are responsible for their own actions. Few are responsible for the actions of a parent. Unfortunately many have to take the consequences of the actions of their parents, most notably in North Korea.

 

[deltheblue]

Is no one responsible for their own actions and subsequent consequences anymore.

Not according to the snowflakes no

 

[deltheblue]

So this thread got hijacked then

 

[Velma's Dad]

I’m assuming you would be quite happy to send in one of your boys at some point in the future on this rescue mission.
I would prefer to be bringing Syrian babies and the mothers innocently caught in the conflict rather than someone because they were purely British and chose to be in the situation.


Mike

Mike, I understand the sentiment but I strongly suspect the UK Govt's decision not to 'rescue' Shamima Begum's infant was a political one, not based on a putative extrication being particularly problematic from a security or other practical standpoint.

Although I'm not current on the specific area in question, I've worked in humanitarian operations in the region, and in northern Iraq when the IS insurgency kicked off there in 2014.

Al-Hol camp, administered by UNHCR and currently 'home' to about 65,000 displaced people (including some families of former IS fighters) is in an area under the firm control of the Kurdish-led SDF, a group which the UK has been supporting militarily so by no means a hostile force for our government personnel. And the camp itself is, according to humanitarian agency reports, a tolerably secure environment for 'internationals' to access even through highly stressed in terms of humanitarian needs and protection issues for some vulnerable groups there.

In my opinion the UKG's decision not to extract the Begum child or indeed the mother - apparently radicalised at the age of 15 and quite probably psychologically traumatised by months of death going on around her when she was shoved in front of the cameras a couple of weeks ago - was because she had already been tried in the British media's court of public opinion and frankly most people (who have absolutely zero personal insight into the multi-dimensional brutality of the conflicts across Iraq and Syria since 2003 but are very happy, from their armchairs, to throw around labels like "Isis terrorist", and that's just on this forum) were happy to let them rot.

The fact that the child unexpectedly died (mortality in the Al-Hol camp is actually fairly low, relatively speaking) was probably something the Home Office didn't reckon on. But anyway the news grid has moved on conveniently and in a month or so the public will probably have forgotten about the Begum girl - and about the 13 million refugees and other displaced people in the Syrian war, in which we have chosen to be a belligerent for the past four years.

Sorry, back to dogs and B***it, anyone?

 

[T6 CFO]

I agree with the substance of your post.

I was guilty of rising to a provocative post.

The issue is complex but I would stand by a preference that there are others that I would evacuate who are in a similar if not worse position than this particular girl. British or not British.


Mike

 

[Skewif]

My vet has recommended us not to take our dog on the continent south of Paris, not because of Brixit but because of leishmania, seems it's spreading and devastating or deadly and the current vaccine is relatively ineffective.

I’m slightly puzzled as my searching online doesn’t come up with any info about there being much of an increase of leishmania. Is this just scare mongering by big Pham or is there really an increased risk? It’s been prevalent around the Med and all the way up to NW France for an age with apparently 80-90% of dogs in the south having it. Does anyone know what the real risk to an appropriately vaccinated / treated healthy dog who originally came from a beach area in the Med is?

 

[Amarillo]

I’m slightly puzzled as my searching online doesn’t come up with any info about there being much of an increase of leishmania. Is this just scare mongering by big Pham or is there really an increased risk? It’s been prevalent around the Med and all the way up to NW France for an age with apparently 80-90% of dogs in the south having it. Does anyone know what the real risk to an appropriately vaccinated / treated healthy dog who originally came from a beach area in the Med is?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5025139/

A good flea collar reduced the risk to local dogs in an animal shelter in Catania or Syracuse from about 40% to about 4%.

 

[Keith Smith]

I’m slightly puzzled as my searching online doesn’t come up with any info about there being much of an increase of leishmania. Is this just scare mongering by big Pham or is there really an increased risk? It’s been prevalent around the Med and all the way up to NW France for an age with apparently 80-90% of dogs in the south having it. Does anyone know what the real risk to an appropriately vaccinated / treated healthy dog who originally came from a beach area in the Med is?

According to my vet, who had just been on a weeks course on the subject, most dogs in the uk have no resistance so are particularly vulnerable whereas many dogs on the continent have developed some immunity. She gave me a load of leaflets about it and even the vaccine manufacturers bottom line advice was not to take your dog unless absolutely necessary. She is treating several dogs with the disease and said it was life changing for the dogs and they would never be the same again.

 

[Amarillo]

I was guilty of rising to a provocative post.

Intended to be thought provoking rather than provocative.
~£1,000 on pooch rescue by an individual vs ~£???,000 on infant rescue by a government.

 

[T6 CFO]

Intended to be thought provoking rather than provocative.
~£1,000 on pooch rescue by an individual vs ~£???,000 on infant rescue by a government.

Yeah right


Mike

 

[Amarillo]

Yeah right

You don't have to believe me, Mike, but you should note that @Velma's Dad said the same occurred to him when he wrote about "Foreign Office sending Jonny English".

 

[Velma's Dad]

You don't have to believe me, Mike, but you should note that @Velma's Dad said the same occurred to him when he wrote about "Foreign Office sending Jonny English".

Don't bring me into it guys, I'm just sitting here on the sofa watching BBC news and trying to explain to our spaniel whether or not she'll be able to come with us to France this summer...

 

[T6 CFO]

Don't bring me into it guys, I'm just sitting here on the sofa watching BBC news and trying to explain to our spaniel whether or not she'll be able to come with us to France this summer...

Mike

 

[sidepod]

I’m slightly puzzled as my searching online doesn’t come up with any info about there being much of an increase of leishmania. Is this just scare mongering by big Pham or is there really an increased risk? It’s been prevalent around the Med and all the way up to NW France for an age with apparently 80-90% of dogs in the south having it. Does anyone know what the real risk to an appropriately vaccinated / treated healthy dog who originally came from a beach area in the Med is?

Indeed. We’ve spent many weeks on the beeches of Southern France with Spence without problem, he always has a collar.

 

[Carolinegallen]

I read the same however my dog has been to Europe many times and as it states he will not require a blood test but my vet says he may still do

We're going away early June but if he does require a blood test he cannot travel within 3 months of his test results

Can't win

I contacted several vets. We are also travelling early June. We were advised to have rabies titre blood test 3 months prior to travel. Just had the results back yesterday and all 3 of my dogs have passed.

 

[Kris Emery]

Probably have to have the 3 month palaver - my sister regularly travels to Spain with her dogs and her son-in-law who manages a vert practice advises her that this 3 month stuff will be the case in no Brexit exit.

For me our dog (resident in Switzerland) born in UK we have changed her UK dog passport to a Swiss one in case we go to France and they no longer respect the UK dog passport after Brexit.

As in Switzerland we have our dog always protected against Rabies so not quite sure how the 3 month thing will work...

As to visiting UK this year I think we will let the dust settle - if postponed until June 30th we could sneak in a visit on the old terms.

 

[Tarquers]

Surely this is about keeping the UK Rabies free? Yes it is a pain, but the country worked very hard to keep rabies from the country. Borders do work both ways...

 

[Tarquers]

To to qualify my post above, have both a dog and a cat that come to family in Europe at least twice a year, so not looking forward to the fall out, especially as just booked a ferry for Easter...

 

[shudycamps]

We were advised by a Spanish vet in November 2017 that Seresto collars were now licensed to protect against Sandfly.

https://media.bayer.com/baynews/bay...uropean-countries-reduce-canine-leishmaniosis

Research suggests it reduces Sandfly bites by 96%.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9226637/

Read the small print and IF the Seresto collars DO have the sandfly protection, they are only good for the first 3 weeks, not the 7/8 months Bayer brags. You will also need Advantix as well, plus Motillium syrup (over the counter in any Spanish chemist, €2.50 for 300ml I think). http://www.sitandplas.com/leisguard-o-motilium/ Very good article.

 

[sidepod]

Surely this is about keeping the UK Rabies free? Yes it is a pain, but the country worked very hard to keep rabies from the country. Borders do work both ways...

Nobody is complaining about increased checks and tests.
What we are concerned about is the lack of hard information.

 

[shudycamps]

Could anyone confirm that a animals who have previously travelled to the EU do not need a blood test

I've contacted my vet who does not seem to agree with this though that's how I read it from the gov site

His passport is up to date

Normally in Apr-May, we head south in ZuluCampi, but until our esteemed and learned Parliament and EU Commission decide about postponing Article 50, we can't make concrete arrangements inasmuch as we travel with dogs. When the pet passport scheme came into existence circa 2000/2001 wherein a rabies jab, followed by a month before bloods were tested, then a 6 month waiting period; travel became possible to England without quarantine. From that time until 31 December 2013, that is how it worked. Rabies injection had to improve during those years because the EU said the UK had to merge with their requirements. Hence from 1 Jan 2014, a rabies jab did not require a blood test afterwards and 21 days later travel was permitted into England. If we leave with no deal, dogs coming out of UK to EU AND dogs coming from EU to UK need a a blood serology 4 months in advance of travel (however, if one has kept the original passport which, during the time previous to 1 Jan 14 had the page stamped for serology test and signed by vet, another blood test is not necessary).
The rabies inoculation hasn't changed or regressed backwards, just the TITS running Parliament and EU Commission. Scab picking. When amateurs get involved in trying to negotiate terms of business. So come on Article 50 extension! Campi needs to feel her wheels a'rollin!
I am waiting to see what happens in the next few weeks before making Eurotunnel reservations. A friend of mine had their dogs blood tested 4 months ago ready for travel after 29 Mar, based on current Defra advice. It cost him £100 per dog. If Article 50 is postponed until June, we will travel as per normal, and I am seriously considering having my dogs blood tested for the 4 month run up to our Aug/Sept travels hoping the costs are much lower. Three of our dogs have the original serology test, so they are fine to travel. But I caution: print off the Defra adice - don't always rely that the Eurotunnel Pet Passport Check Point Charlie in Calais WILL have it. I've run the gauntlet with them many times!

 

[shudycamps]

I’m slightly puzzled as my searching online doesn’t come up with any info about there being much of an increase of leishmania. Is this just scare mongering by big Pham or is there really an increased risk? It’s been prevalent around the Med and all the way up to NW France for an age with apparently 80-90% of dogs in the south having it. Does anyone know what the real risk to an appropriately vaccinated / treated healthy dog who originally came from a beach area in the Med is?

I have three rescue dogs from Spain, brought to the UK with no indication of Leishmania. One was diagnosed 6 yrs ago with Leishmania and I gave her the Glucantine treatment, which was successful in harnessing her Leishmania and she hasaid been on Allopurinol tablets since. Blood tested once a year in Spain, as they have such a better knowledge of it. Her overall health is steady and I continue with her pills twice a day. Spanish dog #2, blood tested positive with very low leish and on pills twice a day. Took my 4 month old puppy with all the precautions last Aug/Sep, blood tested her and 3rd Spanish dog for leish, ready for the innoculation of Letifend. Spanish dog passed, puppy tested positive with very low leish. On tablets until 30 May and another blood test in Spain to see way forward with her. As there, unlike humans, is yet an inoculation 100% for dogs, it is a Russian roulette. So I have to give pills twice a day - big deal. They just line up with mine. But that's my take on it only.

 

[shudycamps]

According to my vet, who had just been on a weeks course on the subject, most dogs in the uk have no resistance so are particularly vulnerable whereas many dogs on the continent have developed some immunity. She gave me a load of leaflets about it and even the vaccine manufacturers bottom line advice was not to take your dog unless absolutely necessary. She is treating several dogs with the disease and said it was life changing for the dogs and they would never be the same again.

According to my vet, who had just been on a weeks course on the subject, most dogs in the uk have no resistance so are particularly vulnerable whereas many dogs on the continent have developed some immunity. She gave me a load of leaflets about it and even the vaccine manufacturers bottom line advice was not to take your dog unless absolutely necessary. She is treating several dogs with the disease and said it was life changing for the dogs and they would never be the same again.

Well, I can only give as an example my dog, Chikki. Born in Spain Aug 2008, adopted her and brought her home Dec 2012. Diagnosed with Leish 2012 and needed the Glucantine treatment, which I administered to her along with allopurinol pills of 300mg per day for 6 months. Reduced to 100mg since and she is over 10yrs of age now and accompanies me in the shooting field. I fought tooth and nail with DWR in the initial stages preceeding the the Glucantine treatment and has the immense satisfaction of watching the big know it all specialist vet wilt like cabbage. Remember when foot and mouth broke out in 2000; young vets had never seen it; thus the rampage kicked in until an old timer vet recognised it. By then it was too late. It's a very personal decision to decide whether or not to take ones dog into southern Spain. All I can offer is Advantix, Motolium syrup, Scalibor collars and Avon's Skin So Soft spray with Citronella for you and your dog in the early evenings onwards. Do not let your dog sleep outside. I think I let my puppy down because of what I didn't know about Seresto collars to what I know now. Who knows? But it's under control and I have the pleasure of my dogs on holiday.

 

[Amarillo]

Read the small print and IF the Seresto collars DO have the sandfly protection, they are only good for the first 3 weeks, not the 7/8 months Bayer brags.

DEFRA say 7/8 months (December 2016). Where does it say 3 weeks?