Road Fund tax

[Pucci Mike]

Can engine explain the current road fund licence fee on say a new T7 registered after 1 April 2025. I’ve 2 conflicting answers from main dealers.
One says “from 1 April if list price is over £40k it will incur an additional £425 from the second time the vehicle is taxed. “
Another dealer categorically states that RFL is currently £360 with no additional tax
Thanks

 

[Pucci Mike]

Can anyone explain the current road fund licence fee on say a new T7 registered after 1 April 2025. I’ve 2 conflicting answers from main dealers.
One says “from 1 April if list price is over £40k it will incur an additional £425 from the second time the vehicle is taxed. “
Another dealer categorically states that RFL is currently £360 with no additional tax
Thanks

 

[Wannabecamperman]

Can engine explain the current road fund licence fee on say a new T7 registered after 1 April 2025. I’ve 2 conflicting answers from main dealers.
One says “from 1 April if list price is over £40k it will incur an additional £425 from the second time the vehicle is taxed. “
Another dealer categorically states that RFL is currently £360 with no additional tax
Thanks

I believe that the luxury car tax to which you refer, is inapplicable for vehicles registered as a 'motor caravan'.

 

[andyinluton]

2nd dealer is correct for a motorhome ie an Ocean, 1st dealer would be correct for a beach with no kitchen.

 

[Lorri]

Can engine explain the current road fund licence fee on say a new T7 registered after 1 April 2025. I’ve 2 conflicting answers from main dealers.
One says “from 1 April if list price is over £40k it will incur an additional £425 from the second time the vehicle is taxed. “
Another dealer categorically states that RFL is currently £360 with no additional tax
Thanks

Our dealer said our T7 Ocean PHEV wouldn't be eligible for extra charges as its a motorhome.
Just checked our VED form and its detailed as a PLG vehicle. And we paid £275.

 

[Wannabecamperman]

Our dealer said our T7 Ocean PHEV wouldn't be eligible for extra charges as its a motorhome.
Just checked our VED form and its detailed as a PLG vehicle. And we paid £275.

Is there no mention of 'motor caravan' on the V5? I'd ask DVLA to change it if not, as the luxury car tax is applied from years 2-5 I believe, though motor caravans are exempt.

 

[WelshGas]

Our dealer said our T7 Ocean PHEV wouldn't be eligible for extra charges as its a motorhome.
Just checked our VED form and its detailed as a PLG vehicle. And we paid £275.

What is the “ Body Type “ on the V5c?

 

[Lorri]

What is the “ Body Type “ on the V5c?

Motor Caravan

 

[Andrew Dyer]

Hi, I've just ordered a T7 PHEV Ocean from Breeze, Poole. They say that the initial year is covered (£110) and for the following 5 years it will be £620 a year, including the luxury vehicle tax. Then it will be £180 a year from year 6.

 

[andyinluton]

Hi, I've just ordered a T7 PHEV Ocean from Breeze, Poole. They say that the initial year is covered (£110) and for the following 5 years it will be £620 a year, including the luxury vehicle tax. Then it will be £180 a year from year 6.

Unless they register it incorrectly Breeze are wrong - see post 5 above.

 

[sticky1]

I’m afraid Breeze are correct for all models of California because of the luxury car tax.
I purchased mine in early April not realising the implications and checked with DVLA.

 

[Andrew Dyer]

My T5 was originally registered as PLG, although I had to change it via a fairly involved process to be a diesel car for its taxation class, body type motor caravan, vehicle category 'M1' so that I could get it exempted from the local clean air zone. Perhaps if the dealers register as PLG then the luxury car tax is avoided? The DVLA obviously would never advise anyone to do this as they would lose revenue. Whether it is technically correct, or questionable practice I'm not placed to judge. However, it is possible to change your classification but there may be pros and cons when it comes to insuring, air zones etc. Although the DVLA might be wise to this tax avoidance... when I changed my previous vehicles classification I ended up paying more tax, but it was worth it based on the zone fees!

 

[Rubinstein]

Mine registered last month as motor caravan, PLG, M1, £415 RFL, its a 2.0 diesel, I think it drops after the 3rd year

 

[sticky1]

My T5 was originally registered as PLG, although I had to change it via a fairly involved process to be a diesel car for its taxation class, body type motor caravan, vehicle category 'M1' so that I could get it exempted from the local clean air zone. Perhaps if the dealers register as PLG then the luxury car tax is avoided? The DVLA obviously would never advise anyone to do this as they would lose revenue. Whether it is technically correct, or questionable practice I'm not placed to judge. However, it is possible to change your classification but there may be pros and cons when it comes to insuring, air zones etc. Although the DVLA might be wise to this tax avoidance... when I changed my previous vehicles classification I ended up paying more tax, but it was worth it based on the zone fees!

I think it is the new luxury car tax which is catching people out. It adds up if you have a few cars in the family.

 

[Andrew Dyer]

I think it is the new luxury car tax which is catching people out. It adds up if you have a few cars in the family.

Yes I'm aware, but my point is that by registering as a PLG you effectively avoid the luxury car tax.

 

[sticky1]

Mine registered last month as motor caravan, PLG, M1, £415 RFL, its a 2.0 diesel, I think it drops after the 3rd year

That seems at odds with what I understood.
It will be interesting to see at your renewal what they expect.
I know on my invoice it had 12 Months RFL & First Reg Fee £415.
Year two will be £620.

 

[Rubinstein]

That seems at odds with what I understood.
It will be interesting to see at your renewal what they expect.
I know on my invoice it had 12 Months RFL & First Reg Fee £415.
Year two will be £620.

Way things are going it will probably be double that if Mrs Reeves has anything to do with it

 

[Black Forest]

This is a black hole of conflicting info for the VW T series and its variants. IANAL but there is a lot of conflicting and vague on the Gov and DVLA websites. Just check that a PLG class vehicle has speed restrictions on some roads. 50mph not 60... M1, N1 on the VIN. ANPR may give you a ticket in a PLG registered Cali that should be able to do 60mph, but then a PLG classification gives lower RFL costs...

Worm can lid lifted...

Speed limits​

Car derived vans are the only light commercial (goods) vehicles which are subject to the same speed limits as a car.

All other light commercial (goods) vehicles, including small vans, are restricted to maximum speed limits applicable to goods vehicles not exceeding 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight:

• 50mph on single carriageways
• 60mph on dual carriageways
• 70mph on motorways

 

[sticky1]

Yes I'm aware, but my point is that by registering as a PLG you effectively avoid the

I’m afraid the PLG class won’t get you the savings. If you registered as a N1 light goods vehicle you’ll be golden, but unfortunately you would be unlikely to find any insurance as they will look up the vehicle and see it is a campervan.
I feel like I became an expert a few years ago when registering the older LR Defender, it became really important to pick the right combination of vehicle classification and taxation class.

 

[Andy C Berks.]

Mine registered last month as motor caravan, PLG, M1, £415 RFL, its a 2.0 diesel, I think it drops after the 3rd year

It won’t drop after the 3rd year - that’s vehicles that qualify for the luxury car payment, which drops after 6 years.

Aside from the Beach without a kitchen then Californias should be registered as a Motor Caravan and Vehicle Category M1 = £360 pa (+£55 first registration fee in year 1). Being an M1 my understanding is that you can drive at 60mph on single carriageway national speed limit roads and up to 70mph when dual carriageway - I have never had a ticket for alternatively exceeding 50/60 on these roads.

VWs current brochure also confirms the £360 for both ICE and hybrid :-

 

[sticky1]

It won’t drop after the 3rd year - that’s vehicles that qualify for the luxury car payment, which drops after 6 years.

Aside from the Beach without a kitchen then Californias should be registered as a Motor Caravan and Vehicle Category M1 = £360 pa (+£55 first registration fee in year 1). Being an M1 my understanding is that you can drive at 60mph on single carriageway national speed limit roads and up to 70mph when dual carriageway - I have never had a ticket for alternatively exceeding 50/60 on these roads.

VWs current brochure also confirms the £360 for both ICE and hybrid :-

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That is correct for first registrations hence the £415 on your invoice, however for the following five years it will be £620.

 

[andyinluton]

@Andy C Berks is correct, I’ve never seen so many wrong posts as this thread is producing :
Tax dropping after 3 years - rubbish
PLG affecting speed limits - nonsense
Year 2 tax on a Campervan £620 - absolute b*****ks
Quoting breeze as fact - 99% of their sales are vans not campers - they are quite often wrong when it comes to California specifics.

Motorcaravan on the v5 sets the speed limits same as cars

Tax class is PLG which is a sweep up class of vehicles that are not standard cars

M1 is the vehicle class - designed for carriage of passengers not goods

Motor Caravans are exempt from the luxury car tax.

History - for a brief period (2017- 2020 ish) motor caravans were liable for luxury car tax but the likes of vw complained that they were put at a disadvantage against converters. Converters would register a preconverted van at under the £40k then do the conversion and sell for more than £40k with the buyer avoiding the tax.

 

[sticky1]

@Andy C Berks is correct, I’ve never seen so many wrong posts as this thread is producing :
Tax dropping after 3 years - rubbish
PLG affecting speed limits - nonsense
Year 2 tax on a Campervan £620 - absolute b*****ks
Quoting breeze as fact - 99% of their sales are vans not campers - they are quite often wrong when it comes to California specifics.

Motorcaravan on the v5 sets the speed limits same as cars

Tax class is PLG which is a sweep up class of vehicles that are not standard cars

M1 is the vehicle class - designed for carriage of passengers not goods

Motor Caravans are exempt from the luxury car tax.

History - for a brief period (2019 ish) motor caravans were liable for luxury car tax but the likes of vw complained that they were put at a disadvantage against converters. Converters would register a preconverted van at under the £40k then do the conversion and sell for more than £40k with the buyer avoiding the tax.

I will be thrilled to be proven wrong.

 

[OceanView2023]

It won’t drop after the 3rd year - that’s vehicles that qualify for the luxury car payment, which drops after 6 years.

Aside from the Beach without a kitchen then Californias should be registered as a Motor Caravan and Vehicle Category M1 = £360 pa (+£55 first registration fee in year 1). Being an M1 my understanding is that you can drive at 60mph on single carriageway national speed limit roads and up to 70mph when dual carriageway - I have never had a ticket for alternatively exceeding 50/60 on these roads.

VWs current brochure also confirms the £360 for both ICE and hybrid :-

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Agree- I have just received a tax reminder for my 73 plate Ocean: £360 - stated as PLG.
On the V5 it states Tax class PLG, body type motor caravan, vehicle category M1.

 

[secret lemonade drinker]

Unfortunately, the real question everyone isn't answering is, is a multivan, a car or a van?
Looking at it's pre conversion status it is a luxury car, hence the luxury car tax, the same as my 2017 beach 7 seater. If you can afford the car, you can afford the tax!