Rotherhithe Tunnel

[66tim99]

I’m hoping my “Motor Caravan and Private/Light Goods” is all ok.

Yes fingers crossed
But that’s the same as mine and I was fined.

 

[Lambeth Cali]

Yes fingers crossed
But that’s the same as mine and I was fined.

How long after driving through did you get the fine letter?

 

[66tim99]

How long after driving through did you get the fine letter?

2 weeks

 

[Lambeth Cali]

2 weeks

2 weeks and 3 days and counting.

 

[66tim99]

The relevant part of the letter rejecting my appeal - it is a goods vehicle over 2 tonnes.
I wonder if there’s a way of updating the on board sat nav, Google maps etc to never use Rotherhithe Tunnel.

 

[Azteccamper]

As an aside, interesting to note some are 5 seaters (mine included) and others 4. Yet they are all SE / Ocean variants.

 

[Lambeth Cali]

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The relevant part of the letter rejecting my appeal - it is a goods vehicle over 2 tonnes.
I wonder if there’s a way of updating the on board sat nav, Google maps etc to never use Rotherhithe Tunnel.

I tried to do that on Waze. There is a list in settings of things you can avoid. Unfortunately Rotherhithe Tunnel isn’t one of them. You can fill out a form to ask them to add it but I kind of lost the will to live whilst doing it.

I wonder if it’s possible using Google maps?

I think you can deliberately say “via Blackwall Tunnel” on Waze. Blackwall being the obvious alternative for me. I’ll check.

 

[Lambeth Cali]

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The relevant part of the letter rejecting my appeal - it is a goods vehicle over 2 tonnes.
I wonder if there’s a way of updating the on board sat nav, Google maps etc to never use Rotherhithe Tunnel.

I just looked mine up on the website written in bold on your letter

GOV.UK - Enter the registration number of the vehicle

vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk

and found this



Doesn’t seem to have a Revenue Weight online. Vehicle Type Approval is where it should say N1 N2 N3 etc. and that’s blank too.
I wonder if that’s why I haven’t got a ticket (yet).

What does yours show?

 

[66tim99]

I just looked mine up on

GOV.UK - Enter the registration number of the vehicle

vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk

and found this

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Doesn’t seem to have a Revenue Weight online. Vehicle Type Approval is where it should say N1 N2 N3 etc. and that’s blank too.
I wonder if that’s why I haven’t got a ticket (yet).

What does yours show?

3080kg - so that might well be the reason

 

[Lambeth Cali]

Maybe because my 2008 van is a lot older?

The DVLA are pretty hopeless. 2014 is when paper tax discs were scrapped and presumably someone transferred everything online. I guess this wasn’t done very carefully. They don’t seem to know much about my van apart from it’s beige and taxed!!

 

[66tim99]

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3080kg - so that might well be the reason

Odd that even mine doesn’t state the vehicle type approval, which is crucial to being prohibited from Rotherhithe

 

[SamSara]

What relevance are the different vehicle types? Mine say M1 (2017 plate)

 

[SamSara]

What relevance are the different vehicle types? Mine say M1 (2017 plate)

Just check online and I have a passenger vehicle with no more than 8 seats. I’m heading through the tunnel next week, so should be OK

 

[66tim99]

Just check online and I have a passenger vehicle with no more than 8 seats. I’m heading through the tunnel next week, so should be OK

Yes yours is a passenger vehicle so you pay more road tax but can drive through the tunnel.
New Californias registered as private light goods vehicles should avoid Rotherhithe Tunnel

 

[66tim99]

Aha! This from VW this morning. So mine WILL BE an M1 passenger car NOT an N1 PLG. I guess that would mean I wouldn't be fined for using the Rotherhithe tunnel, but I would pay the higher road tax?
This explains what the government are trying to do.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...2020/vehicle-excise-duty-rates-for-motorhomes
Thoughts very welcome

 

[andyinluton]

Aha! This from VW this morning. So mine WILL BE an M1 passenger car NOT an N1 PLG.

Good result. You will still be PLG
PLG is a tax class which is Private OR Light Goods.

M1 / N1 is what dictates car / Goods vehicle.

Next step, a nice letter to TFL to tell them they are wrong?

 

[Amarillo]

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Aha! This from VW this morning. So mine WILL BE an M1 passenger car NOT an N1 PLG. I guess that would mean I wouldn't be fined for using the Rotherhithe tunnel, but I would pay the higher road tax?
This explains what the government are trying to do.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...2020/vehicle-excise-duty-rates-for-motorhomes
Thoughts very welcome

Great result. You can now use the Rotherhithe Tunnel.

 

[66tim99]

Good result. You will still be PLG
PLG is a tax class which is Private OR Light Goods.

M1 / N1 is what dictates car / Goods vehicle.

Next step, a nice letter to TFL to tell them they are wrong?

Thanks. But does the motorhome categorisation mean more vehicle tax, as it is over £40,000? https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables
I think I'll start with VW, as it was their mistake really. I put my chances of success at zero, but then I can approach TfL and plead that I've been the innocent victim of a bureaucratic blunder.

 

[66tim99]

 

[andyinluton]

You are looking at the wrong tax table - you should be looking up Motorhomes its £295 per year

Whether your tax will change depends on what it is currently charged at?

If your van was first registered in Nov 2021 which I think it was from the info you provided above, the over £40k extra tax had been abolished FOR MOTORHOMES by then.

JCB do not know what they are talking about - it does not apply to all vehicles.

 

[66tim99]

Your tax will remain unchanged.

If your van was first registered in Nov 2021 which I think it was from the info you provided above, the over £40k extra tax had been abolished FOR MOTOR CARAVANS by then.

JCB do not know what they are talking about - it does not apply to all vehicles.

The letter from VW says mine is going to be an M1SA motorHOME now though?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...2020/vehicle-excise-duty-rates-for-motorhomes

 

[andyinluton]

The letter from VW says mine is going to be an M1SA motorHOME now though?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...2020/vehicle-excise-duty-rates-for-motorhomes

Your reply crossed with my edit - wording on the tax tables has changed from Motor Caravan to Motorhome

 

[66tim99]

Your reply crossed with my edit - wording on the tax tables has changed from Motor Caravan to Motorhome

Great thank you. So no £40k supplement?
Nothing seems to be clear.
https://vans.honestjohn.co.uk/van-tax/motorhome-and-camper-van-tax-rates/
Do you have a link to the motorhome abolition?

 

[andyinluton]

The article you've linked to covers it - read Motorhomes registered after March 12 2020 - tax rate is a bit out of date as we've had a few budgets since then.

Also if you look up tax rates on the .Gov site it gives current rates for Motor homes but adds:

"If your motorhome was registered between 1 April 2017 and 11 March 2020
You’ll pay a different rate of tax.........."

Yours was registered after that cut off date so just the standard rate applies.

 

[studioTUNGSTEN]

Just avoid it all at once, I got a PCN letter today. No rotherhithe tunnel for California.