What after Phase 1

[andyinluton]

I think chicken farmers should be next - couldn't see it on the poll though.

 

[willwander]

Here’s a “deserving” case to set the cat among the pigeons.

Over dinner tonight (we dine early to eat together) Ben asked what happens to prisoners if they get Coronavirus? The answer is of course that they get treated according to their needs.

But here we have a sub group of the population thrown together in a confined space and unable to move about freely - not all that dissimilar to sailors on a ship. We still have a duty of care for the prison population.

Should they be next?

Wow- it would give the Daily Express the tabloid equivalent of apoplexy if they were prioritised, and for that somewhat mischievous reason, I shall cast my as yet uncast vote for prisoners. Unfortunately you shall only see my vote in the poll above as “other” as ten choices is the limit and cannot now be edited.

Yes why not - Old fat drug addicts first of course.

If we really did prioritise based on max effect and need, I expect there would be a lot of cases like these, but it’s not the fairy tale story the media are looking for.

 

[OnlyJen]

Seeing as you are `New to this forum, if i could give you a tip.

Amarillo will argue until he's blue in the face that black is white.
disclaimer - I'm woke.

I understand.

I am a rather old and tired historian who spent far too many of her years refereeing debates on the USCW/war between the states for deliberate controversy to lure me into its manifold entrapments.

In other words I don't give a sh*t really.

 

[Amarillo]

Seeing as you are `New to this forum, if i could give you a tip.

Amarillo will argue until he's blue in the face that black is white.
disclaimer - I'm woke.

Be fair to me: I did warn New Jen that I was going to “set the cat among the pigeons” and that my intent was to be “mischievous”.

 

[westfalia]

I understand.

I am a rather old and tired historian who spent far too many of her years refereeing debates on the USCW/war between the states for deliberate controversy to lure me into its manifold entrapments.

In other words I don't give a sh*t really.

Love it.
Its like The Second Coming

 

[OnlyJen]

Love it.
Its like The Second Coming

Temporary.

I need to sell a few things.

 

[westfalia]

Be fair to me: I did warn New Jen that I was going to “set the cat among the pigeons” and that my intent was to be “mischievous”.

With due respect, i thought i was being fair.

 

[Amarillo]

I'd love to see that if only to see your reaction to the reaction of Express readers!

In similar vein, I wonder if you saw the announcement a week or so ago that the Government of Israel would vaccinate all its prisoners, however Palestinian prisoners would be the last in the queue for that.

(At the same time they have also declined to provide vaccines to the populations of the Occupied Palestinian Territories, even though that is clearly obligated by the Fourth Geneva Convention and having nevertheless provided vaccines to Jewish settlers within the OPT, who are living there illegally under international law.)

A German pharmaceutical company using the State of Israel for a new drug for research purposes sits somewhat uncomfortably with me. Has no one else spotted this!?

 

[willwander]

Love it.
Its like The Second Coming

Those days are gone mate

 

[Amarillo]

I'd love to see that if only to see your reaction to the reaction of Express readers!

I’m still reeling from watching tabloid readers’ reactions at a Black family of ten being rehoused in a bigger home in Luton.

I’d better say no more incase I’m accused of hijacking my own thread - or worse still, being accused of being a psychopath/sociopath!

 

[Amarillo]

Those days are gone mate

Just beginning:

Church of Sweden proclaimed Greta Thunberg ‘successor’ to Jesus Christ - Washington Examiner

The Church of Sweden declared teen star climate activist Greta Thunberg to be an appointed successor to Jesus Christ in a 2018 tweet that resurfaced in the wake of her speech before the United Nations."Announcement! Jesus of Nazareth has now appointed one of his successors, Greta Thunberg," the...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[OnlyJen]

Just beginning:

Church of Sweden proclaimed Greta Thunberg ‘successor’ to Jesus Christ - Washington Examiner

The Church of Sweden declared teen star climate activist Greta Thunberg to be an appointed successor to Jesus Christ in a 2018 tweet that resurfaced in the wake of her speech before the United Nations."Announcement! Jesus of Nazareth has now appointed one of his successors, Greta Thunberg," the...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Oh for goodness sake!

I came before Greta Thurnberg

The child has no experience of being a messiah whereas I've been there at least 15 times ...

Bitch

 

[westfalia]

Those days are gone mate

Don't count yer chickens man.

 

[sidepod]

I don't care as long as the gov get the shops open again, then the townies can go back to shopping and we can get on with the job of cleaning up their mess in the countryside.

 

[AlisonF]

One group of people that never get mentioned is the adults, living alone, healthy with no medical issues.
I’ve been alone in my home walking my dogs daily (with the occasional socially distanced friend) for a year, since I heard about the virus spreading further than Wuhan.
I have witnessed people all around, during all the lockdowns, breaking the rules or contacting lawyers to get justification for doing what most of us would not do.
They are all comfortably at home day to day with family (whilst still making these ‘allowed’ social visits).
Please don’t just look out for old and vulnerable. Check in regularly on others.
I’m off track now, but shopping this afternoon I spotted a donation van outside the shop - do did a double shop and the other half was given to the charity.

 

[Amarillo]

One group of people that never get mentioned is the adults, living alone, healthy with no medical issues.

I think that my sister-in-law’s twin sister falls into that category. Her husband died 5 years ago and she has lived alone ever since.

She has formed a support bubble with my brother’s family. This means she is free to visit them as often as she likes and for as long as she likes.

[Withdrawn] Making a support bubble with another household

How you can safely expand the group of people you have close contact with during the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.

www.gov.uk

I don’t know if this is the same across the four nations of the UK.

 

[AlisonF]

I think that my sister-in-law’s twin sister falls into that category. Her husband died 5 years ago and she has lived alone ever since.

She has formed a support bubble with my brother’s family. This means she is free to visit them as often as she likes and for as long as she likes.

[Withdrawn] Making a support bubble with another household

How you can safely expand the group of people you have close contact with during the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.

www.gov.uk

I don’t know if this is the same across the four nations of the UK.

Yes, allowed to form bubbles. But the friends I would want to form bubbles with, have family to form bubbles with. Hence the loop hole that excludes some folk.

 

[OnlyJen]

One group of people that never get mentioned is the adults, living alone, healthy with no medical issues.
I’ve been alone in my home walking my dogs daily (with the occasional socially distanced friend) for a year, since I heard about the virus spreading further than Wuhan.
I have witnessed people all around, during all the lockdowns, breaking the rules or contacting lawyers to get justification for doing what most of us would not do.
They are all comfortably at home day to day with family (whilst still making these ‘allowed’ social visits).
Please don’t just look out for old and vulnerable. Check in regularly on others.
I’m off track now, but shopping this afternoon I spotted a donation van outside the shop - do did a double shop and the other half was given to the charity.

Indeed. The healthy single person living alone is something I became aware of a few weeks ago. Cutting long stories short we now have a single person joined us, 52, healthy, family too far away. A very easily missed sector of society.

 

[Amarillo]

Vaccine priority for prisoners?

Covid in Scotland: Prison cases 'almost double' in a week - BBC News

Official Scottish Prison Service figures show the number of virus cases increased from 189 to 364.

www.bbc.com

 

[Amarillo]

Vaccine age order to continue.

Over-40s next in line to get a Covid vaccine https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56208674

I still think that an exception should have been made for prisoners where social distancing is not possible and convicts are confined to their cells for up to 23 hours per day. It is not conducive to rehabilitation which is the primary purpose of prison.

The prison population of <100,000 would hardly make a dent in the weekly vaccination rate of about 2,000,000.

 

[B J G]

Pretty sure that I've heard it mentioned on the Media that prison staff and the inmates were in the same category as Care Homes and already done.

 

[NessL]

Vaccine age order to continue.

Over-40s next in line to get a Covid vaccine https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56208674

I still think that an exception should have been made for prisoners where social distancing is not possible and convicts are confined to their cells for up to 23 hours per day. It is not conducive to rehabilitation which is the primary purpose of prison.

The prison population of <100,000 would hardly make a dent in the weekly vaccination rate of about 2,000,000.

Also, if you ask anyone in the Swale area (where looking at the stats, the “Kent variant” appears to have originated from), they will tell you it started in the prison on the Isle of Sheppey.
Although I haven’t seen any evidence to prove this.

 

[Amarillo]

Pretty sure that I've heard it mentioned on the Media that prison staff and the inmates were in the same category as Care Homes and already done.

I haven’t been able to find any news report to confirm that. I have found this month old statement:

Managing the pandemic in prisons

The quick and decisive action taken since the beginning of the pandemic has helped to limit the spread of the virus in prisons.

www.gov.uk

It may be that they have simply rolled prisoners into Group 6 - high risk under 65s, and the statement is the usual Government weasel words.

 

[westfalia]

Could a british citizen travel through 1 eu country to catch
the channel tunnel and then get the Jab in Folkstone and return?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Amarillo]

Could a british citizen travel through 1 eu country to catch
the channel tunnel and then get the Jab in Folkstone and return?

Asking for a friend.

Probably. You might need to register with a GP.

But I hear Germany have a stockpile of 1,500,000 unwanted Astra Zeneca jabs. Couldn’t your friend just get one of those?