Which electric car to buy?

[Ch1pbutty]

Very, very clever.

More photos:

The Citroen Oli is an oddball electric concept we can’t help but love

This four-seat family do-it-all machine keeps things light and easy. Literally

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[Kevthegas]

I’d call the GT 3 RS and GT2 sports cars?

Unfortunately mostly bought by friends/ associates of the dealer principles these days. Very few are driven on the roads or even tracks these days. A friend/neighbour ordered a WEISSACH GT3RS, kept in the garage for 3 months then sold it for a massive profit.

 

[Kevthegas]

Macan is Porsche’s best seller, followed closely by the Cayenne.
911’s don’t even sell half their numbers.
Even the Taycan sells in bigger numbers than the holy grail.
I’m sure I read yesterday, Porsche just built the 100,000 Taycan.

No longer a sports car manufacturer…

I copied the following from another forum I am on

"Vw /audi group can only build so many V6's and remain free of extra EU emission taxes. I understand for every Macan V6 they have to sell 3 Taycan's."

 

[WelshGas]

How to address “ Range Anxiety “. Screen shot not a video.

 

[soulstyledevon]

Did anyone get stuck in these queue’s…?

Six-hour queues shows painful reality of owning a Tesla at Christmas

A number of Tesla owners across the UK were left queueing for hours to charge their electric vehicles over the Christmas period

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[B J G]

Dual role potential for Grand Californias?

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[kurienp]

Did anyone get stuck in these queue’s…?

Six-hour queues shows painful reality of owning a Tesla at Christmas

A number of Tesla owners across the UK were left queueing for hours to charge their electric vehicles over the Christmas period

www.ladbible.com

We were in the Cali, on our way to Suffolk and did see a queue of Teslas at South Mimms. Glad that we were in the Cali and brewing ourselves a cuppa coffee

Without the infra, especially around holiday season, avoid electric. Non Tesla - many of the chargers don't work.

 

[Wondering Star]

Reason I didn't use my EV for a 300 mile round trip this Christmas.
Left the Skoda Enyak at home and used our cheap and cheerful little Suzuki Swift.
Charging infrastructure not keeping up with demand, one less frustration.

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Did anyone get stuck in these queue’s…?

Six-hour queues shows painful reality of owning a Tesla at Christmas

A number of Tesla owners across the UK were left queueing for hours to charge their electric vehicles over the Christmas period

www.ladbible.com

Didn’t get delayed charging, took the van as needed a bed at in the in-laws. That said we could have got there and back in our EV without the need to charge as can get 300 real miles on a full charge. Cost us a alot more in diesel in the van but avoided sleeping on an airbed that always seem to have a slow puncture!

On the 27Dec the volume of traffic on the roads was extraordinary, took 5.5hrs to get to Bristol, normally takes us 2.25hrs. Both ICE & EV’s were queuing up the motorway to get into majority of services on the M4. Probably busier due to train strikes, lots of people on the roads who don’t normally drive that much & first Christmas with no Covid restrictions.

 

[soulstyledevon]

Didn’t get delayed charging, took the van as needed a bed at in the in-laws. .

I have that too.
Secretly I quite like the excuse of getting out the house and retreating to the van.

 

[Lambeth Cali]

I’m very tempted to switch my 2008 Golf GTi for this BMW i3 Range Extender for £21.5K for 2018 26k miles.

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Almost all our journeys are under 3 miles (yes I know I should cycle more) some maybe 15 miles and then twice a year my wife does 130 miles round trip to visit friends and wouldn’t like to have to recharge. Seems ideal….

 

[johnyboy]

I’m very tempted to switch my 2008 Golf GTi for this BMW i3 Range Extender for £21.5K for 2018 26k miles.

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Almost all our journeys are under 3 miles (yes I know I should cycle more) some maybe 15 miles and then twice a year my wife does 130 miles round trip to visit friends and wouldn’t like to have to recharge. Seems ideal….

I think they will be future classics too as they are stopping making them

 

[kurienp]

I’m very tempted to switch my 2008 Golf GTi for this BMW i3 Range Extender for £21.5K for 2018 26k miles.

Cargiant - London's Largest Car Dealership

We have thousands of used cars in stock at unbeatably low prices. We also offer finance, part exchange all at our London Dealership reserve your car online for just £99.

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Almost all our journeys are under 3 miles (yes I know I should cycle more) some maybe 15 miles and then twice a year my wife does 130 miles round trip to visit friends and wouldn’t like to have to recharge. Seems ideal….

They are very sensible cars and have a cult following (though you may miss the GTi )

All engines and mechanicals now a days are relatively reliable provided they are sensibly driven and maintained so my search always starts from adaptive cruise and lane keep assist ... And go from there. Daughter is considering a new car and I've recommended her a Polo, as it seems not all i3's come with ACC.

 

[larrylamb]

I’m very tempted to switch my 2008 Golf GTi for this BMW i3 Range Extender for £21.5K for 2018 26k miles.

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We have thousands of used cars in stock at unbeatably low prices. We also offer finance, part exchange all at our London Dealership reserve your car online for just £99.

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Almost all our journeys are under 3 miles (yes I know I should cycle more) some maybe 15 miles and then twice a year my wife does 130 miles round trip to visit friends and wouldn’t like to have to recharge. Seems ideal….

You should be able to get a 2019 with the larger battery 42.2kwh for that money.

 

[Lambeth Cali]

You should be able to get a 2019 with the larger battery 42.2kwh for that money.

I don’t thinks that’s Range Extender? 33Kwh maybe

Check out this car on cinch
https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/bmw/i3/details/b507d328-da59-4669-8307-c039d83b5215

I quite like the Range Extender option.
I don’t mind small range - 50 miles would do me easy but the ability to avoid any non home charging completely by using the range extender is perfect for when my wife does a 100 mile trip twice a year.

 

[larrylamb]

I don’t thinks that’s Range Extender? 33Kwh maybe

Check out this car on cinch
https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/bmw/i3/details/b507d328-da59-4669-8307-c039d83b5215

I quite like the Range Extender option.
I don’t mind small range - 50 miles would do me easy but the ability to avoid any non home charging completely by using the range extender is perfect for when my wife does a 100 mile trip twice a year.

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[GrannyJen]

I have that too.
Secretly I quite like the excuse of getting out the house and retreating to the van.

I spent New Years eve on my Son's drive. Just as the fireworks came on the Television, the cheap champagne that his Father in law brought along started to get poured over everyone and my rather large sister in law was flashing her knickers as she fell on her well upholstered ar$e trying to dance. I thought "Kevin, I'm coming" ....and scuttled into the van. PEACE!

 

[Wildcamper]

What do people think about the recent reservations expressed by Toyota on electric vehicles?

 

[Velma's Dad]

What do people think about the recent reservations expressed by Toyota on electric vehicles?

I assume you mean what Akio Toyoda said a few weeks back, ie that they will continue to offer hybrids, plug-ins (and maybe hydrogen) alongside EVs at least during the next development phase?

First, we should keep in mind that Toyota is currently the largest manufacturer of hybrids, they've already sunk a big chunk of change into that. So their boss is hardly a neutral observer.

But not moving exclusively to BEVs makes plenty of sense for a carmaker producing for global markets that include some territories that are (a) very price sensitive and/or (b) are going to be slower to build out charging infrastructure. That doesn't of course mean they will keep offering all options in all markets.

I don't think Toyoda mentioned or implied that they will keep producing 'pure ICEs', although they and other manufacturers might to some extent beyond 2030/35, but using 'legacy' model platforms sold in a decreasing number of markets. Maybe a handful of new ICE platforms will be developed, but I can't see massive investment being put in.

 

[flying banana]

i read an article recently that said 56% of all uk households don't have facilities to fit a charger at home. this is obviously flats. terraced, people without driveways etc but also people out in the sticks where its not feasible to upgrade the incoming supply. this is a big issue that the government are ignoring along with the rest of the problems they are ignoring

 

[WelshGas]

Exactly how many Countries have or plan to stop the sale of all IC vehicles in the future? Very few.
Any car manufacturer that concentrates on pure EVs is limiting their global market significantly as many countries will struggle to build and maintain an efficient countrywide charging network. We cannot, neither has the EU.
In my opinion the best way forward would have been a global concentration on Hybrids to get rid of the most polluting journeys, short trips with cold, inefficient IC engines.
The present plan is the worst possible. The developed countries will change to EV but the rest of the world will not be able to , or afford to, so will be reliant on IC vehicles. We will be cutting off our own noses to appease the Green Lobby while the rest of the world wets themselves laughing .
But if everyone, globally, could be converted to cheap hybrid vehicles then the impact could be significant.

 

[willwander]

Beware of colonial thinking. Remember many ‘developing’ countries skipped land lines and wired internet completely and went straight to mobile, as a result they have some of the highest mobile phone take up and developed their own tech for many things including mobile phone payment systems that‘s way in advance of ‘developed’ countries. May be more difficult with EV’s but not impossible e.g EV take up with low income people in China is high.
Also ‘hybrids’ could also be considered worst of both worlds, over engineered, poor IC and poor EV combined to green wash old tech, at least that’s what most are today

 

[kurienp]

Beware of colonial thinking. Remember many ‘developing’ countries skipped land lines and wired internet completely and went straight to mobile, as a result they have some of the highest mobile phone take up and developed their own tech for many things including mobile phone payment systems that‘s way in advance of ‘developed’ countries. May be more difficult with EV’s but not impossible e.g EV take up with low income people in China is high.
Also ‘hybrids’ could also be considered worst of both worlds, over engineered, poor IC and poor EV combined to green wash old tech, at least that’s what most are today

Agree.

Also remember that in countries such as China and India, the safety threshold is low (it does not need to be high, when you have to just potter around town, or drive on crowded highways rather than hurtling down towards London at 80 miles an hour in a high end car with 22 inch wheels) ... and so that puts a different spin on vehicle ownership and therefore also on EV adaptation in developing countries.

Based on western Standards, the safety rating may be low, but more than sufficient for the person buying it.

See the Range Rover Evoque knockoff below in China -


Did the person buy the above for safety or for show or for efficiency or ... something else?

If you measure against some of the safest cars, the cars in China and India are "unsafe" ... but that does not matter as the "unsafe" yardstick is as per the western media, based on western standards.

While the western countries deal with tackling climate change and spending money on mental masturbation, the China's and the India's of the world will continue to make money by providing services and continuing to increase pollution by building vehicles ...

I am not saying that climate change is wrong - we need global action than wishful thinking.

I think we need a new measurement for growth itself ... GDP etc are now outdated.

Someone give me a hybrid with a decent 150 mile range and without being overly heavy (the current hybrids top off at about 45 miles), I may consider one. Currently as @willwander says, they are the worst of both worlds (but maybe classify as best considering that there are no other options).

It is a complex conundrum, but the world still rotates on its axis and shall continue to do so without us as well.

 

[andyinluton]

Someone give me a hybrid with a decent 150 mile range and without being overly heavy (the current hybrids top off at about 45 miles), I may consider one.

Similar feelings here - just 100 mile range on battery to keep the battery light & a 900cc petrol engine with a decent sized fuel tank as a back up as long as it would run the car at motorway speeds.

 

[willwander]

Hybrids might be good if they were developed as EV first rather than an after thought.

Even then you are adding a lot of complexity, unless you plug them in you are going to be running off the ICE most of the time unless you want the ICE as a petrol generator running on your drive overnight.