Campingaz refills

[Elly Swanson]

When on trips I take my Cobb for charcoal and also a trangia spirit burner (fits nicely into the Cobb base) if I want a quick, high heat. I have a Trangia safety bottle for the fuel, which you need to be careful with.

If we go somewhere that allows fire, my Kelly Kettle is fabulous for boiling water and small cooking jobs, but club sites (including Camping & caravanning) and some festivals don’t allow them at all. It’s great taking the dog for a walk, collecting free fuel (hubby’s not so keen on the dried cow dung though).

I’d not seen the MSR international before you mentioned it, kp64zi, and I looked it up - very interesting.

After the useful discussions here and in past threads, I’ll probably keep a Campingaz 907 in situ in the van for making brews and the odd bit of cooking inside, especially in winter.

 

[kp64zl]

Advantage of MSR Whisperlite and other liquid fuel stoves is that they work well when camping outside in sub-zero conditions whereas gas can struggle in such temperatures. (main disadvantage is the toxic fumes and flare ups when lighting so not at all tent/van friendly - have to be outside)

So I've had a whisperlite for many years for mountaineering trips etc. Works really nicely with white gas and equivalents (e.g. coleman fuel, aspen t4) but also will work with petrol (but then the cooker requires lots of cleaning).

To be fair, I think gas cooker technology has also improved over the years especially with those ones which pre-heat the fuel & gas is less fuss as you don't need to prime it, and that propane mix canisters are now available, which I don't remember being so common 20yrs ago.

none of this is super-relevant to a campervan forum really! so sorry if too off topic

 

[Amarillo]

I dont think your intending, but dont fill your own its really dangerous if you dont know what your doing and overfill for instance.

I wouldn’t see overfill as a particular problem. Weighing is an accurate measure of fill, and if just after filling it is overfilled, let some gas out in open air.

A greater concern to me would be the quality of the seals from a diy refill.


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[Elly Swanson]

Advantage of MSR Whisperlite and other liquid fuel stoves is that they work well when camping outside in sub-zero conditions whereas gas can struggle in such temperatures. (main disadvantage is the toxic fumes and flare ups when lighting so not at all tent/van friendly - have to be outside)

So I've had a whisperlite for many years for mountaineering trips etc. Works really nicely with white gas and equivalents (e.g. coleman fuel, aspen t4) but also will work with petrol (but then the cooker requires lots of cleaning).

To be fair, I think gas cooker technology has also improved over the years especially with those ones which pre-heat the fuel & gas is less fuss as you don't need to prime it, and that propane mix canisters are now available, which I don't remember being so common 20yrs ago.

none of this is super-relevant to a campervan forum really! so sorry if too off topic

Don’t think it is too off topic. Anything that allows cooking outside is good.

Because of the fabulous heating system (not had the pleasure of trying it yet) more and more Cali owners are camping at lower temperatures. Cooking outdoors when it’s cold and crisp is fabulous and gas doesn’t do so well in the cold.

Also if you’re venturing a bit further than the van, small lightweight options are good to know about.

 

[Elly Swanson]

I wouldn’t see overfill as a particular problem. Weighing is an accurate measure of fill, and if just after filling it is overfilled, let some gas out in open air.

A greater concern to me would be the quality of the seals from a diy refill.


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Interesting discussion with pros and cons on both sides.

 

[Legin]

I wouldn’t see overfill as a particular problem. Weighing is an accurate measure of fill, and if just after filling it is overfilled, let some gas out in open air.

A greater concern to me would be the quality of the seals from a diy refill.


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Overfill means no room for expansion so a real potential big bang at some point. If you know what your doing then fine but the leaking seals on filling doesnt compare with a cylinder letting go in your camper.

 

[Nick Stubbs]

We’re Derby so will be worth a look when we’re down Swadlincote way. Cheers John.

Don Amotts, Go Outdoors Ascott Drive.

 

[Nick Stubbs]

Another option is to fit a re-fillable auto gas tank. Did have a link for a refillable bottle which was the same size as a 907, can't find it at the mo, think is was about £90.00

 

[AlanC]

Another option is to fit a re-fillable auto gas tank. Did have a link for a refillable bottle which was the same size as a 907, can't find it at the mo, think is was about £90.00

www.gaslowdirect.com
is the company you are thinking of I think.

The down side of this system is that the 907 equivalent tank is filled with Propane, and although it will fit in the water tank, it has to be removed to be refilled on the forecourt. This is not allowed in most filling stations.

Routing the filler pipe out of the water tank is not possible, as far as I can see.

Alan

 

[Alied]

https://www.leisuregaz.co.uk/ do an equivalent bottle to the Campingaz 907 although stockists are low on the ground at the moment. £35 delivered from Chorley Bottle Gas on eBay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LEISUREG...ay-Delivery-/283009538617?hash=item41e4aeda39.

 

[Nick Stubbs]

Yes was aware it has to be a semi permanent installation, I have seen a photo of it done on a cali somewhere but I have discounted the option as i don't want to go drilling holes in our new van, upside is propane is better for winter conditions. Another way would be to have a tank mounted under the floor pan. As stated previously in the thread second hand cylinders are fairly easy to drop on, agree camping gas is expensive compared to calor. I did try our local waste disposal site for a spare cylinder but ours are no longer allowed to pass them on, H&S gone crazy again...

 

[Elly Swanson]

Here’s an article from the Calorgas website called
Calor’s concern at unlawful and dangerous refilling of LPG cylinders at petrol stations
https://www.calor.co.uk/news/calors...rous-refilling-lpg-cylinders-petrol-stations/

 

[Elly Swanson]

https://www.leisuregaz.co.uk/ do an equivalent bottle to the Campingaz 907 although stockists are low on the ground at the moment. £35 delivered from Chorley Bottle Gas on eBay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LEISUREG...ay-Delivery-/283009538617?hash=item41e4aeda39.

The Pros and cons for the Leisuregaz 007 as a replacement for the Campingaz 907 (as I see it) at the moment:

Pros:

• Direct competitor who seem to want to introduce a lower priced product to the market.
• Compatible with the same appliances, universal fitting - uses the same regulator.
• Zinc coated bottles to prevent rust (don’t know about metal coatings so wondering how robust it would be and if it would scratch off with the harsh treatment gas bottles seem to go through).
• Good if you’re Based near a dealer and only swap your bottles locally.
• Cheaper refill swap (apparently, see below).
• If you don’t already own any 907 bottles you can get a full bottle for the price of most 907 refills.

Cons:

• Leisuregaz is Northwest based and most of their current dealers are there too, except for 3 in Birmingham and 2 near Southampton.
• At £35 (incl delivery) from eBay, if you live close to a Go Outdoors, and own a 907 bottle already, you may as well pick up a 907 refill at your leisure rather than wait in for a delivery.
• If you need a swap for a 007 away from a stockist/dealer you’ll be stuck.

I looked at the websites of the dealers and none directly state how much a refill for an 007 bottle will cost. I’m also unsure as to whether you just go and fill the same bottle or get a swap.

The parent company of Campingaz is Newell Rubbermaid - American. Leisuregaz is British and is a company in it’s own right.

I think the term “watch this space” applies here. Leisuregaz is a young company, only registered with Companies House in Feb 2013. They seem keen to expand and if they get the support from dealers/stockists and customers, may truly give Campingaz a run for their money and for us, good value for ours.

Thanks to “320914” (forum username) for letting us all know about it.

 

[Ting Tong]

Here’s an lpg tank that you can mount underneath. https://www.propexheatsource.co.uk/underslung-lpg-vapour-tanks about £500 fitted with bbq outlet.

I wouldn’t fill a 907 with LPG at a filling station as it’s predominantly propane and the pressure of 2.7kg of propane at ambient temperatures is considerably more than butane, although the 907 is supposed to be good for 3 atmospheres.

Draining butane from another butane cylinder into a 907 like amarillo’s video is different and you can check fill by standing the 907 on a scale. I haven’t tried it but, as others have said, Cali consumption isn’t massive and it’s probably not worth the effort.

 

[Elly Swanson]

The Pros and cons for the Leisuregaz 007 as a replacement for the Campingaz 907 (as I see it) at the moment:

Pros:

• Direct competitor who seem to want to introduce a lower priced product to the market.
• Compatible with the same appliances, universal fitting - uses the same regulator.
• Zinc coated bottles to prevent rust (don’t know about metal coatings so wondering how robust it would be and if it would scratch off with the harsh treatment gas bottles seem to go through).
• Good if you’re NW based and only swap your bottles locally.
• Cheaper refill swap (apparently, see below).
• If you don’t already own any 907 bottles you can get a full bottle for the price of most 907 refills.

Cons:

• Leisuregaz is Northwest based and most of their current dealers are there too, except for 3 in Birmingham and 2 near Southampton.
• At £35 (incl delivery) from eBay, if you live close to a Go Outdoors you may as well pick one up at your leisure rather than wait in for a delivery (that’s if you already have an empty 907 bottle).
• If you need a swap away from a stockist/dealer you may not be able to get one.

I looked at the websites of the dealers and none directly state how much a refill for an 007 bottle will cost. I’m also unsure as to whether you just go and fill the same bottle or get a swap.

The parent company of Campingaz is Newell Rubbermaid - American. Leisuregaz is British and is a company in it’s own right.

I think the term “watch this space” applies here. Leisuregaz is a young company, only registered with Companies House in Feb 2013. They seem keen to expand and If they get the support from dealers/stockists and customers, may truly give Campingaz a run for their money and for us, good value for ours.

Thanks to “320914” (forum username) for letting us all know about it.

Just found out that dealers stock bottles. Don’t know if the Caliclub shop have heard of this or would be interested (or anyone else for that matter), but here’s the link to their “become a dealer” page: https://www.leisuregaz.co.uk/become-a-dealer/

Personally, I would like to support a British company and would buy a bottle if there was a dealer close by or one I would be visiting anyway (like the club shop).

What do you think?

 

[Elly Swanson]

Don Amotts, Go Outdoors Ascott Drive.

Already do my Calor swaps at Go Outdoors, but their Campingaz is £34.99. Will look at Don Amotts and also there’s a Derby Caravan place so will check them out too. Wondering if they’ll all be the same price. Will let you know.

 

[Nick Stubbs]

Would think Don Amotts are more expensive than go, tried to get one from Don’s about six weeks ago as it’s on my door step but they were waiting for a delivery so called at Go on my way home from work and as you say £34 with the discount card, typically Don’s phoned the following day their delivery was in but I didn’t get a price, be nice to know who is the least expensive.

 

[Elly Swanson]

The Pros and cons for the Leisuregaz 007 as a replacement for the Campingaz 907 (as I see it) at the moment:

Pros:

• Direct competitor who seem to want to introduce a lower priced product to the market.
• Compatible with the same appliances, universal fitting - uses the same regulator.
• Zinc coated bottles to prevent rust (don’t know about metal coatings so wondering how robust it would be and if it would scratch off with the harsh treatment gas bottles seem to go through).
• Good if you’re Based near a dealer and only swap your bottles locally.
• Cheaper refill swap (apparently, see below).
• If you don’t already own any 907 bottles you can get a full bottle for the price of most 907 refills.

Cons:

• Leisuregaz is Northwest based and most of their current dealers are there too, except for 3 in Birmingham and 2 near Southampton.
• At £35 (incl delivery) from eBay, if you live close to a Go Outdoors, and own a 907 bottle already, you may as well pick up a 907 refill at your leisure rather than wait in for a delivery.
• If you need a swap for a 007 away from a stockist/dealer you’ll be stuck.

I looked at the websites of the dealers and none directly state how much a refill for an 007 bottle will cost. I’m also unsure as to whether you just go and fill the same bottle or get a swap.

The parent company of Campingaz is Newell Rubbermaid - American. Leisuregaz is British and is a company in it’s own right.

I think the term “watch this space” applies here. Leisuregaz is a young company, only registered with Companies House in Feb 2013. They seem keen to expand and if they get the support from dealers/stockists and customers, may truly give Campingaz a run for their money and for us, good value for ours.

Thanks to “320914” (forum username) for letting us all know about it.

I have no affiliation to this company and did post a message about how to become a dealer, but can’t find it now. Wondering if I breached a forum rule and it was removed. Admins, please let me know if that’s the case so I don’t do it again.

 

[Elly Swanson]

Would think Don Amotts are more expensive than go, tried to get one from Don’s about six weeks ago as it’s on my door step but they were waiting for a delivery so called at Go on my way home from work and as you say £34 with the discount card, typically Don’s phoned the following day their delivery was in but I didn’t get a price, be nice to know who is the least expensive.

Have emailed Don’s to find out. Hopefully will have an answer tomorrow.

 

[Elly Swanson]

The Pros and cons for the Leisuregaz 007 as a replacement for the Campingaz 907 (as I see it) at the moment:

Pros:

• Direct competitor who seem to want to introduce a lower priced product to the market.
• Compatible with the same appliances, universal fitting - uses the same regulator.
• Zinc coated bottles to prevent rust (don’t know about metal coatings so wondering how robust it would be and if it would scratch off with the harsh treatment gas bottles seem to go through).
• Good if you’re Based near a dealer and only swap your bottles locally.
• Cheaper refill swap (apparently, see below).
• If you don’t already own any 907 bottles you can get a full bottle for the price of most 907 refills.

Cons:

• Leisuregaz is Northwest based and most of their current dealers are there too, except for 3 in Birmingham and 2 near Southampton.
• At £35 (incl delivery) from eBay, if you live close to a Go Outdoors, and own a 907 bottle already, you may as well pick up a 907 refill at your leisure rather than wait in for a delivery.
• If you need a swap for a 007 away from a stockist/dealer you’ll be stuck.

I looked at the websites of the dealers and none directly state how much a refill for an 007 bottle will cost. I’m also unsure as to whether you just go and fill the same bottle or get a swap.

The parent company of Campingaz is Newell Rubbermaid - American. Leisuregaz is British and is a company in it’s own right.

I think the term “watch this space” applies here. Leisuregaz is a young company, only registered with Companies House in Feb 2013. They seem keen to expand and if they get the support from dealers/stockists and customers, may truly give Campingaz a run for their money and for us, good value for ours.

Thanks to “320914” (forum username) for letting us all know about it.

Found out that dealers keep a supply of 007 bottles, so seems to be a swap, rather than an actual refill of your bottle.

 

[Joker 1299]

Found out that dealers keep a supply of 007 bottles, so seems to be a swap, rather than an actual refill of your bottle.

That’s exactly what they do with campingaz 904/907s too

 

[Elly Swanson]

That’s exactly what they do with campingaz 904/907s too

I know, but on the leisuregaz site that wasn’t clear and most of their suppliers at the mo in the NW are lpg gas companies. Wondered if their “time for something new” slogan meant they’d be doing it differently.

There is a growing number of people who would like to keep their shiny new bottles and not have a “shabby” swap. Can’t understand it myself, as long as it’s safe and quick & easy to swap I’m not bothered.

 

[larrylamb]

Hi Elly, we use these in the north west if you are passing. Very good prices.
https://chorleybottlegas.co.uk/gas-cylinders-north-west/campingaz/

 

[Amarillo]

I know, but on the leisuregaz site that wasn’t clear and most of their suppliers at the mo in the NW are lpg gas companies. Wondered if their “time for something new” slogan meant they’d be doing it differently.

There is a growing number of people who would like to keep their shiny new bottles and not have a “shabby” swap. Can’t understand it myself, as long as it’s safe and quick & easy to swap I’m not bothered.

My guess (and it is nothing more than a guess) is those dealers who do a swap have their own safe refill facility on the premises, but the refill process is longer than a while-you-wait service. Instead they do a swap.


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[Elly Swanson]

Yeah, I thought some may do it under license. Didn’t think it would take long, but the I suppose they have to do all the safety checks after the filling.

Swap is good for me. They just need to get a good network of dealers or they’ll end up with many people just constantly buying new full bottles and getting them delivered, with no reusing/recycling - an environmental nightmare!

Who knows, in time, if Leisuregaz are successful, Campingaz may review their UK prices.