Social isolating - Not!

[aileron346]

I think people are taking the government’s instruction that you should only exercise once a day to be you must exercise once a day. I’ve seen more people out and about than ever before.

Actually, if this is a long term thing, we will need to think of how the population stays fit. Physical fitness is a good thing and being fit will likely reduce (not eliminate) your chances of getting critically ill with the virus.

No bad thing encouraging exercise as the Deputy Chief Medical Officer has done... so long as social distancing is maintained.

Fit people use NHS services much less, in the long term, even if all forms of exercise carry some injury risk.

 

[aileron346]

I am still driving around as a key worker rand cant believe the amount of cyclists in what can only be described as professional kit (lycra) I have no issue with people being out and keeping fit but I don't think Boris meant go 30 miles from the nearest village.

What’s Lycra got to do with it? Apart from ill-disguised prejudice? It’s sports kit, the same as runners/joggers wear. It’s the kit that some people wear to go for a cycle ride (specifically allowed).
Have I missed something? Are we regulating what we wear now when we take our exercise?

 

[aileron346]

I can’t help thinking a lot of this is about people trying to find a loophole so that they don’t have to do what is being asked of them? These restrictions are a designed to be a short term measure but surely if people do not comply the virus will just keep on spreading and the lockdown will continue even longer.

In a similar vein, I can’t help thinking that some of this telling everyone else off is a mixture of understandable anxiety and a misunderstanding of the advice and how virus transmission takes place.

I think it might just be revealing bits of inner prejudice that may have pre-existed whether aimed at fit people, motorcyclists, runners, cyclists. I’m in all 4 groups and can tell you that such prejudice, whilst still a minority, is alive and well in the UK.

 

[pjm-84]

Back from a 6.7km local walk. Passed about 150 people. Took some quiet routes that were inundated with dog walkers and we played a giant game of Pacman.

 

[Big Ron]

On reflection many of the posts on here do sound awfully like...”I’m right, my understanding of the situation is the only right one, I’m going to decide that the advice given is a law/rule, and that if anyone else thinks differently I’m right, you’re wrong”.
Starting to sound like you’re happy to live and let live as long as it’s done the way you want it....nothing else is acceptable.
A bit small minded?

 

[flying banana]

That explains the name then. An old friend of mine used to work on the measurement trains.

well spotted

 

[Amarillo]

well spotted

 

[DrJuanKerr]

Actually, if this is a long term thing, we will need to think of how the population stays fit. Physical fitness is a good thing and being fit will likely reduce (not eliminate) your chances of getting critically ill with the virus.

No bad thing encouraging exercise as the Deputy Chief Medical Officer has done... so long as social distancing is maintained.

Fit people use NHS services much less, in the long term, even if all forms of exercise carry some injury risk.

I must confess to chuckling when I read "How the population stays fit"
How the "population" stays fit.

As if the population "are" fit. Let alone "stay" fit.

Without sounding arrogant I'm well and truly in the minority. Probably because it was forced into me during my time in the Corps. "Going all to sea" would be a bad thing!

1. Have you seen how many fat people there are?
2. Have you walked down the street and thought "Fat" or "Not Fat"?
3. Have you noticed that up until now over 70% of the population haven't exercised in years. Probably ever!

If this is what it takes to get them off the settee then so be it!

 

[Zerax]

Common sense and Intelligence don’t always go together. The Darwin Awards will be busy .

Don't forget that 'Common Sense' was outlawed about 20 years ago... and replaced with the 'Entitlement' culture. So now, we are all 'entitled' to do whatever we want, unless there is a specific law against it.

The general public now demand a prescriptive, definitive list of what they can and cannot do... if driving to a National Park and walking around it is specifically disallowed... they are entitled to do it !

 

[aileron346]

I must confess to chuckling when I read "How the population stays fit"
How the "population" stays fit.

As if the population "are" fit. Let alone "stay" fit.

Without sounding arrogant I'm well and truly in the minority. Probably because it was forced into me during my time in the Corps. "Going all to sea" would be a bad thing!

1. Have you seen how many fat people there are?
2. Have you walked down the street and thought "Fat" or "Not Fat"?
3. Have you noticed that up until now over 70% of the population haven't exercised in years. Probably ever!

If this is what it takes to get them off the settee then so be it!

Definitely agree... I’m sure this will be one of the things looked at seriously after the crisis. Medics have been warning of growing obesity and lack of fitness for years. Another I think is air pollution which predisposes people to lung disease. I suspect we ain’t seen nothing yet in terms of more city restrictions for diesels. Many more things to look at long term I’m sure.

 

[Zerax]

Boris needs to grow some - seems to be dragging his feet and always behind other countries in his decisions and leadership.

Did you hear that they believe that Italy closing it's schools so early has contributed to the very large death rate there ? Keep schools open may actually be the better option (there's no definite answer)... however the government have to battle the chorus of media 'experts'.

 

[briwy]

Got bored with walking the dog so popped out for some alternative exercise today.

 

[Borris]

Got bored with walking the dog so popped out for some alternative exercise today.

You'll be looking for a new pair of skis then!

 

[Scoobz1]

Did you hear that they believe that Italy closing it's schools so early has contributed to the very large death rate there ? Keep schools open may actually be the better option (there's no definite answer)... however the government have to battle the chorus of media 'experts'.

No I didn't but have seen quite a lot to the contrary - saying they didn't act fast enough and weren't consistent. Do you have a link you can share please ?

 

[DavidofHook]

We live on the hill looking down onto Matlock Bath which is this photo. We had the dog out on the hill and couldn't believe the sight of all these people milling around close together.
The local car boot sale even went ahead. Just crazy.
Anyone who thinks you are isolating in a camper van needs to get real. You aren't and you are putting others at risk. As Welsh Gas said, the penny takes longer to drop for some and for some it doesn't appear to drop at all.

Yep as you say, these people are putting others at risk. They seem not to realize It's not themselves, it’s others who they could be hurting. They may feel that they are strong enouGh to deal with the virus but they can be putting others lives at risk. Irresponsible

 

[Zerax]

No I didn't but have seen quite a lot to the contrary - saying they didn't act fast enough and weren't consistent. Do you have a link you can share please ?

If you google it... you'll find it. The idea is that many kids had the virus... who where then sent home... and were looked after by their grandparents... who don't have the same ability to fight viruses. In Italy, as in many other countries, there is a far stronger family culture than we have in the UK, so it tends to be family looking after kids.

But... my point is... that it's not a simple, straightforward thing. It's highly complex as to what you do and when you do it. The way the UK has dealt with it, has generally been praised around the world. It's not 'knee-jerk' like many countries. It's not helped by the banning of 'common sense' about 20 years ago... so many people now expect detailed prescriptive lists as to what they can and can't do.

 

[ArunAlec]

If you google it... you'll find it. The idea is that many kids had the virus... who where then sent home... and were looked after by their grandparents... who don't have the same ability to fight viruses. In Italy, as in many other countries, there is a far stronger family culture than we have in the UK, so it tends to be family looking after kids.

But... my point is... that it's not a simple, straightforward thing. It's highly complex as to what you do and when you do it. The way the UK has dealt with it, has generally been praised around the world. It's not 'knee-jerk' like many countries. It's not helped by the banning of 'common sense' about 20 years ago... so many people now expect detailed prescriptive lists as to what they can and can't do.

"Common sense" went out the window the day they started having to warn people that water coming out of a HOT tap was hot!

 

[Scoobz1]

If you google it... you'll find it. The idea is that many kids had the virus... who where then sent home... and were looked after by their grandparents... who don't have the same ability to fight viruses. In Italy, as in many other countries, there is a far stronger family culture than we have in the UK, so it tends to be family looking after kids.

But... my point is... that it's not a simple, straightforward thing. It's highly complex as to what you do and when you do it. The way the UK has dealt with it, has generally been praised around the world. It's not 'knee-jerk' like many countries. It's not helped by the banning of 'common sense' about 20 years ago... so many people now expect detailed prescriptive lists as to what they can and can't do.

Had a look and couldn't really find anything informative but again came across and fair few articles saying they were inconsistent and to blase about it. Surely if they had of shut down their industries and had a proper lock down the vast majority of the parents would have been at home to look after their children (though not sure they did this from what I read). Unlike us, they were ahead of the curve in terms of the diseases progression so they probably weren't fully aware of a lot of things, including how vulnerable the older population really is.

With regards to the UK's response I couldn't find any articles praising its approach - indeed they were slightly or even very negative (the only exception was one Donald Trump's "speech" ).

britain has it got the right approach to corona - Google Suche

Most of the articles were critical of the initial herd immunity approach that was first adopted and said it was untested . Indeed reading trough the articles relative to other countries the term "knee jerk" would most likely to be applied to the UK, apart from those countries that felt the potential impact of the virus first and really had relatively little to go on.

The UK had the benefit of being behind the curve of the virus's spread but in the early days it looks like it didn't learn a lot from it, whilst other countries did and went for quicker more aggressive lock-downs. Only this time last week in the UK people were roaming around all the country ignoring the social distancing rules and there little or no self-isolation and no real guidelines from the Government compared to other countries. In terms of managing the economic side of things, I think the UK is probably up there with the best of them, but not managing the Social & Health aspects, at least not to date. It is complex but on balance other countries appear to have roughly got to where we have (and maybe beyond) but quicker.

 

[flying banana]

After we have finished slagging each others opinions off by interpreting the rules slightly differently.... Does anyone know why all the mosques are still open?

 

[westfalia]

After we have finished slagging each others opinions off by interpreting the rules slightly differently.... Does anyone know why all the mosques are still open?

Mine is shut.

 

[Velma's Dad]

Mine is shut.

So is mine (High Wycombe). And Muslim Council instructed all mosques to close, from 23 April.

So where are "all the mosques" that are supposedly still open?

 

[WelshGas]

After we have finished slagging each others opinions off by interpreting the rules slightly differently.... Does anyone know why all the mosques are still open?

Places of Worship

Funerals in places of worship and crematoria, where the congregation are members of the deceased’s household or close family. In a case where no members of the deceased’s household or family members are attending, friends can attend. A distance of two metres should be maintained between every household group, as per Public Health England guidelines.

A minister of religion or worship leader may leave their home to travel to their place of worship. A place of worship may broadcast an act of worship, whether over the internet or otherwise.

For the purpose of hosting essential voluntary or public service, such as food banks, homeless services, and blood donation sessions.

 

[flying banana]

So is mine (High Wycombe). And Muslim Council instructed all mosques to close, from 23 April.

So where are "all the mosques" that are supposedly still open?

Leeds and london

So is mine (High Wycombe). And Muslim Council instructed all mosques to close, from 23 April.

So where are "all the mosques" that are supposedly still open?

Whitechapel. London. And probably more

 

[WelshGas]

Leeds and london
Whitechapel. London. And probably more

Open for mass worship or open as Food Banks or other social services?

 

[flying banana]

Open for mass worship or open as Food Banks or other social services?

Either way. They are gathering. Apparently