Cost of fuel

[Cali Phillip]

with prices of food so high, might need to consider moving from normal lunch to liquid lunch

those were the days

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

Get an allotment

 

[ArunAlec]

We were forced to downgrade after the 2008 financial crash.

I feel for you…. Mind you now the free coffee and the last straw, free paper, have gone it’s not the same!

 

[Vagophile]

Get an allotment

Or convert the front lawn, second world war style.

 

[soulstyledevon]

I feel for you…. Mind you now the free coffee and the last straw, free paper, have gone it’s not the same!

Best thing that ever happened.
Got sick of people blocking the entrance waiting to fill a coffee cup.
We’ve had loads of new decent coffee places open since they ended their free coffee gift.

 

[Joker 1299]

We were forced to downgrade after the 2008 financial crash.

Funnily enough, Tom, I always had you down as a Waitrose man. Being a Leeds man, I am an Asda supporter. AsDa was the original name derived from the base company ASsoiated DAiries, a milk supplier

 

[Joker 1299]

I had soup for lunch today too. Baxter’s Cream of Mushroom; delicious.
Sorry, is that passive agressive? Not meant to be…

At £1.20 per 400g it was much more expensive than a litre of diesel… go figure

 

[Amarillo]

Funnily enough, Tom, I always had you down as a Waitrose man. Being a Leeds man, I am an Asda supporter. AsDa was the original name derived from the base company ASsoiated DAiries, a milk supplier

There is no better bread than Waitrose Grand Pain, but at £3 per loaf, it is a grand pain in the wallet.

 

[Velma's Dad]

We used to be Waitrose shoppers exclusively but not since they stopped doing dog bones (okay, they called them "marrow bones" and I presume you were supposed to make consommé out of them or something).

They still do quails eggs though, which both we and the dog enjoy.

 

[subthree]

The free-range unicorn eggs from Waitrose are just exquisite.

 

[TheDoc]

Interesting discussion. Thinking about it a litre of fuel probably costs me close to £4 when I take into account the tax I pay on my income and the tax and vat on fuel. In old money that’s approaching £20 a gallon!

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Fury road: How soaring fuel prices are causing chaos in Britain — The Telegraph

Criminals stealing oil, drivers fleeing petrol pumps, the cost of living crisis continuing to grow... is this our Mad Max moment?

apple.news

 

[Amarillo]

Fury road: How soaring fuel prices are causing chaos in Britain — The Telegraph

Criminals stealing oil, drivers fleeing petrol pumps, the cost of living crisis continuing to grow... is this our Mad Max moment?

apple.news

I hear the chancellor is considering a 5p (6p inc VAT) cut in fuel duty to support the richest car owning majority in this country during the cost of living crisis, while at the same time aiding Putin’s war against Ukraine and adding to the climate emergency.

The alternative: scrapping VAT on bicycles and their servicing which would support the poorest non car owning minority, help fight Putin’s war against Ukraine, and help the climate emergency, is not even being considered.

Odd that.

 

[WelshGas]

I hear the chancellor is considering a 5p (6p inc VAT) cut in fuel duty to support the richest car owning majority in this country during the cost of living crisis, while at the same time aiding Putin’s war against Ukraine and adding to the climate emergency.

The alternative: scrapping VAT on bicycles and their servicing which would support the poorest non car owning minority, help fight Putin’s war against Ukraine, and help the climate emergency, is not even being considered.

Odd that.

Are you really thinking this through. How many bicycles do you buy/ Yr, and how often do your poorest non car owning minority get their multitude of bicycles serviced/Yr.
A drop in fuel tax benefits commercial and public transport not just car owners.

 

[andyinluton]

I hear the chancellor is considering a 5p (6p inc VAT) cut in fuel duty to support the richest car owning majority in this country during the cost of living crisis.


The alternative: scrapping VAT on bicycles and their servicing which would support the poorest non car owning minority, help fight Putin’s war against Ukraine, and help the climate emergency, is not even being considered.

Odd that.

A large proportion of the cost of any item in the building industry is fuel related, whether thats the guys getting to work or moving materials. I don't think even your tandem is up to carrying many 21' scaffold poles at 28kg each. The whole industry is struggling to stay afloat with 20% + increases in material prices & that was before the latest fuel costs.

The same is happening in the food industry - its transport costs causing rocketing food prices.

Cutting the duty will benefit anyone that buys anything from any shop.

The Chancellor is not loosing out by "giving back" 6p per litre, If I'm paying £1.80 a litre now instead of the £1.40 a few weeks back, the government are getting an extra 8p a litre in VAT. Giving back 6p still leaves them 2p a litre in extra revenue.


Scrapping VAT on bicycles is ludicrous unless it only applied to families that didn't own cars. Surely only very rich people can afford both a car and a bike?

If you are paying someone to service a push bike you must be not only rich, but a fool as well.

 

[Amarillo]

Are you really thinking this through. How many bicycles do you buy/ Yr, and how often do your poorest non car owning minority get their multitude of bicycles serviced/Yr.
A drop in fuel tax benefits commercial and public transport not just car owners.

I’m in the fortunate position of not having to explore the detail. But I do know that a cut in fuel duty would be sending out the wrong message on the climate, the wrong message on Putin’s war and the wrong message on who are most in need during the cost of living crisis.

Subsidies for sustainable travel and/or raising the National Insurance threshold would send out very different messages.

 

[Ch1pbutty]

The alternative: scrapping VAT on bicycles and their servicing which would support the poorest non car owning minority, help fight Putin’s war against Ukraine, and help the climate emergency, is not even being considered.

Odd that.

Get your bike through the cycle to work scheme, then the purchase cost comes out of your salary before Tax / NI are deducted. 32-42% saving. DIY servicing.

 

[WelshGas]

I’m in the fortunate position of not having to explore the detail. But I do know that a cut in fuel duty would be sending out the wrong message on the climate, the wrong message on Putin’s war and the wrong message on who are most in need during the cost of living crisis.

Subsidies for sustainable travel and/or raising the National Insurance threshold would send out very different messages.

I suggest you do spend the time to explore the detail. Many non-car owners depend on Public Transport and lowering the tax take on IC fuels would help them significantly. Not everyone lives in a city.

 

[Velma's Dad]

I suggest you do spend the time to explore the detail. Many non-car owners depend on Public Transport and lowering the tax take on IC fuels would help them significantly. Not everyone lives in a city.

Tend to agree. A lot of people on very low incomes still need to use a car, eg in rural areas as WG says (about 30% of rural households are in relative or absolute poverty) and other specific groups eg many carers who can't reclaim travel expenses. Yes of course we need to reduce fossil fuel use but a load of people right now are facing a sudden dramatic hit on their household budgets. Improving public transport etc is a long term aspiration, but lots of people are facing big financial headaches right now.

I would say however that just chopping down fuel duty for everyone is a pretty blunt instrument for helping people on low incomes.

 

[Amarillo]

I suggest you do spend the time to explore the detail. Many non-car owners depend on Public Transport and lowering the tax take on IC fuels would help them significantly. Not everyone lives in a city.

Grants, subsidies and/or fuel duty rebates can be given to public transport operators very easily without reducing fuel duty for the wealthy driving their children a few hundred metres each way to school.

 

[Amarillo]

Get your bike through the cycle to work scheme, then the purchase cost comes out of your salary before Tax / NI are deducted. 32-42% saving. DIY servicing.

Getting a bike on a cycle to work scheme is great for those whose employer is part of the scheme. It’s not so great for a teenager who aspires independence from their parents by cycling to netball practice instead of being driven.

 

[Velma's Dad]

Grants, subsidies and/or fuel duty rebates can be given to public transport operators very easily without reducing fuel duty for the wealthy driving their children a few hundred metres each way to school.

Fine where there is actually a public transport service. According to the RMT, more than six million people in Britain do not live within one mile of an hourly bus service. Just saying.

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Getting a bike on a cycle to work scheme is great for those whose employer is part of the scheme. It’s not so great for a teenager who aspires independence from their parents by cycling to netball practice instead of being driven.

2nd hand bike or a pair of trainers?

 

[Amarillo]

I don't think even your tandem is up to carrying many 21' scaffold poles at 28kg each.

You might be surprised with what I have seen hauled by bike in China.

Wheelchairs and wheelchair accessories such as tyres are zero rated for VAT. Extending this to bicycles would not be particularly difficult.

 

[Amarillo]

Fine where there is actually a public transport service. According to the RMT, more than six million people in Britain do not live within one mile of an hourly bus service. Just saying.

That suggests that 90% of the British population do live within a 5 minute bike ride of an hourly bus service.

Over 50% of London households have no car, rising to 60% for inner London.

While a cut in fuel duty might have a marginal benefit for those who don’t own a car, the biggest benefit would be for those who do own a car and use it most.