Meanwhile in Germany; that round sticker at the back.

[calibusje]

I tried to make a point that is possibly the opposite of what you understood it to be. No matter, but just to be clear, I wasn't attempting a UK - EU discussion. If you look carefully at my profile you will see Switzerland.

Very well, then I misunderstood. Well, then it's for the other posts in that direction.
I'm leaving for Switzerland in 3 weeks, I'm curious: it will be a discovery for me.

 

[Corradobrit]

I for one am glad to have the headsup with my German registered Coast. No idea where to go to get the check but over a year to find out.

 

[Multi1100]

On June 19, 2024, the new Section 60 of the Road Traffic Licensing Regulations (StVZO) (https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stvzo_2012/__60.html) was announced in the Federal Law Gazette (BGBl. 2024 I No. 191 of June 19, 2024), which now contains clear specifications for the testing of LPG systems in vehicles.

I may be misunderstanding but an LPG system is something else than a 907 campingaz bottle ??? That is filled with Butane....
And as mentioned before, only for German registered vehicles

 

[Calimili]

Maybe because Gemany is a sovereign state that are able to regulate its own territory. I don't live in the EU, but I struggle with the logic that says Germany passed a law that doesn't make much sense and the EU is inefficient because they didn't impose a similar useless regulation on all of the union and therefore we want out so that Germany gets to make its own regulations?

I think you didn't read my post correctly. I actually find the check useful, so that an old rubber pipe might be forced to be replaced once too old. On the other hand there doesn't seem to be any statistic indicating a worrying number of gas-MH-System related camping incidents.
"Wanting out" would make no difference to Germany's willingness to produce regulations. The opposite is instead true, which is what I said, laws passed at state level rather than EU , that also affect other EU citizens while travelling withing the EU might show the weakness of the EU institution in its current working. Disappointment, unhappiness with the EU inefficiency might cause people to want out.
To Calibusje, unfortunately it takes a huge amount of time for laws to be approved by an ever increasing number of states forming the EU: decades. Example: law amendment to allow people with driving license B to drive Motorhomes with gross weight up to 4,25t (instead of current 3,5t): initial discussion 10 years ago, approved 2 weeks ago to come into effect 2028....

 

[calibusje]

To Calibusje, unfortunately it takes a huge amount of time for laws to be approved by an ever increasing number of states forming the EU: decades. Example: law amendment to allow people with driving license B to drive Motorhomes with gross weight up to 4,25t (instead of current 3,5t): initial discussion 10 years ago, approved 2 weeks ago to come into effect 2028....

Indeed, I completely agree; I work daily with Belgian legislation and regulations and European treaties, regulations, directives, decisions, recommendations, advice and more.

 

[Roger Boeken]

I may be misunderstanding but an LPG system is something else than a 907 campingaz bottle ??? That is filled with Butane....
And as mentioned before, only for German registered vehicles

I am learning: according to wikipedia butane and propane are a form of LPG !
Knowing the number of mobilhomes this applies to there will be a problem to get it checked in time.. Let us hope VW garage will do it in future during service. What if you use a burner with small screw type gas bottle 200g, 500 g or a cadac or alike ?

 

[Calimili]

I am learning: according to wikipedia butane and propane are a form of LPG !
Knowing the number of mobilhomes this applies to there will be a problem to get it checked in time.. Let us hope VW garage will do it in future during service. What if you use a burner with small screw type gas bottle 200g, 500 g or a cadac or alike ?

a portable burner would not be installed in a MH , so it doesn't apply

 

[Lambeth Cali]

I don’t have any gas at home.
Like many things I suppose, it could fail an hour after inspection, but given how deadly gas can be, I’d appreciate it being inspected sometimes.
You don’t hear of many accidents though…

Vwcampersales offer it. I thought about it and decided not to bother. Do it if you’re worried.

I have my boiler serviced every year and twice the engineer broke it. I tend to think well made stuff is best left alone. The gas bottle is in a sealed plastic box with a hole at the bottom for any gas leaking to escape outside the van. It’s a clever design. The smell is added to help you smell leaks.
There are two 35 year old T25 campers on my road. How old is that rubber tubing!?

 

[RichardH]

Dear California owners, sometimes a question comes up about that round sticker behind on the tailgate. Many now know exactly why he is hanging, but he is now quite wise. For more information I take this information from a German Facebook page. Simply translated and posted below, and again: just as information for those interested:

Important note on the gas test for mobile homes and caravans ... this is required by law from June 19, 2025.

At the beginning of 2020, the gas test requirement as part of the general inspection was initially temporarily suspended and finally completely abolished on April 1, 2022.

On June 19, 2024, the new Section 60 of the Road Traffic Licensing Regulations (StVZO) (https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stvzo_2012/__60.html) was announced in the Federal Law Gazette (BGBl. 2024 I No. 191 of June 19, 2024), which now contains clear specifications for the testing of LPG systems in vehicles.

The new Section 60 StVZO stipulates that owners of vehicles that require registration and license plates must have the LPG systems of their vehicles checked. This inspection requirement applies to systems with a maximum consumption of 1.5 kg/h that are not used to power vehicles. The inspections must be carried out at the following times in accordance with the technical rules of the DVGW G 607 (A) worksheet (G 607 inspection):

1. Initial inspection before commissioning: Before the LPG system is used for the first time.

2. Inspection after changes: After changes to the system that require inspection.

3. Repeat inspection every 24 months: Thereafter at regular intervals of 24 months.

Although the obligation to carry out regular gas inspections was introduced on June 19, 2024 in accordance with Section 60 of the Road Traffic Licensing Regulations, this standard is only to be applied from June 19, 2025, with a transition period of one year, according to Section 72 Paragraph 15 of the Road Traffic Licensing Regulations.

Anyone who does not comply with the new inspection requirements will be committing an administrative offence from June 19, 2025 in accordance with Section 69a of the Road Traffic Licensing Regulations. This includes both intentional and negligent violations of the gas inspection regulations. Failure to comply can result in sanctions under the Road Traffic Act, with fines varying depending on the deadline:

* 15 euros if the deadline is exceeded by more than 2 to 4 months
* 25 euros if the deadline is exceeded by more than 4 to 8 months
* 60 euros if the deadline is exceeded by more than 8 months

Insurance-related problems are to be expected, in particular, as a defective gas system can lead to the loss of insurance cover. If, for example, it cannot be proven that the vehicle has passed the inspection in the event of an accident, this can be considered gross negligence and insurance cover will be void.

In addition, as a precautionary measure, many campsites at home and abroad require the presentation of the gas inspection certificate when checking in.

During the gas test, a recognized expert checks the entire gas system to ensure it is functioning properly. You can find this information on the DVFG e.V. website www.gaspruefung-wohnwagen-wohnmobile.de or you can ask your trusted workshop.
All of this applies to vehicles registered in Germany and how this will develop for, for example, non-German vehicles will remain unclear. This could become a European rule because it has already been suggested..
This thread can of course be further addressed with new information.

Greetings
Calibusje

Thanks for this. It is really useful. However the regulation applies only to German registered vehicles. It’s not EU-wide.

It’s best never to believe everything an AI program says. However my AI program says this:

“Key Points for Gas Inspections:
• Temporary Visits: Foreign-registered vehicles are not immediately subject to German gas inspection rules if they are only visiting for a short period (up to one year), as long as their home country’s regulations are met.”

It also says: “Foreign-registered vehicles temporarily visiting another EU country are not immediately subject to that country’s national technical inspection rules, including gas (LPG) inspections, as long as the vehicle complies with the rules of its country of registration.”

If true, that implies that gas inspections are still not needed for UK Calis, used by their owners in the EU, unless an individual trip is considerably longer than the 90 day rule.

However: “ Many campsites in Germany and elsewhere require proof of a valid gas inspection (often the G 607 sticker or equivalent) regardless of registration country, and may refuse entry without it.”.
I have never encountered this. Has anyone else?

Do any forum members have more info?

 

[calibusje]

Thanks for this. It is really useful. However the regulation applies only to German registered vehicles. It’s not EU-wide.

It’s best never to believe everything an AI program says. However my AI program says this:

“Key Points for Gas Inspections:
• Temporary Visits: Foreign-registered vehicles are not immediately subject to German gas inspection rules if they are only visiting for a short period (up to one year), as long as their home country’s regulations are met.”

It also says: “Foreign-registered vehicles temporarily visiting another EU country are not immediately subject to that country’s national technical inspection rules, including gas (LPG) inspections, as long as the vehicle complies with the rules of its country of registration.”

If true, that implies that gas inspections are still not needed for UK Calis, used by their owners in the EU, unless an individual trip is considerably longer than the 90 day rule.

However: “ Many campsites in Germany and elsewhere require proof of a valid gas inspection (often the G 607 sticker or equivalent) regardless of registration country, and may refuse entry without it.”.
I have never encountered this. Has anyone else?

Do any forum members have more info?

An AI program? Com’on: I did the research myself, thank you. Btw: I never state that it is EU wide. Did you forget to read this?

 

[RichardH]

An AI program? Com’on: I did the research myself, thank you. Btw: I never state that it is EU wide.

I’m not in any way challenging your research or your advice. Just want to comply with the rules without committing myself to unnecessary cost and effort. AI has its undeniable flaws. But it can scan and summarise thousands of pages of regulations in seconds - a fraction of the time it would take me and I only twigged this might be a problem today.

 

[calibusje]

I’m not in any way challenging your research or your advice. Just want to comply with the rules without committing myself to unnecessary cost and effort. AI has its undeniable flaws. But it can scan and summarise thousands of pages of regulations in seconds - a fraction of the time it would take me and I only twigged this might be a problem today.

You don’t have to commit yourself to unnecessary costs and effort; unless you want to have your gas installation checked. It is quite simpel: it’s a German built campervan with a gas installation fitted so it has to be checked before leaving the factory and that’s why it has that -german- round sticker at the back. Than it goes to the buyer and if it becomes a ‘non-German’ camper, you don’t have to get another sticker (test) when the original one is expired.
If you want certainty, you can have it tested but that is not what you want. Although I don't have to do this either I will have mine tested after expiring the date on the sticker; not for any campsite but for my own and others safery. Each to his own.
That is the whole point.
Be safe and happy travels.

 

[Up10]

On our previous converted campervan, we chose to have a regular habitation check which tested power and energy systems. Although we are both engineers, we don't have the correct qualifications or experience to check these systems ourselves.

However, I would be interested in what view VW would take if an independent organisation found fault with a vehicle still under warranty? As it appears to be a service that VW don't provide, how are we, the customer, supposed to approach this to ensure our safety and best interest?

 

[calibusje]

On our previous converted campervan, we chose to have a regular habitation check which tested power and energy systems. Although we are both engineers, we don't have the correct qualifications or experience to check these systems ourselves.

However, I would be interested in what view VW would take if an independent organisation found fault with a vehicle still under warranty? As it appears to be a service that VW don't provide, how are we, the customer, supposed to approach this to ensure our safety and best interest?

Then you assue that this is covered by the warranty? How long does your warranty last because that sticker is also valid for a few years. Anyway, if you are not a German resident, you don't have to do it. If you do want the gas installation checked, I assume that you will have it checked after the validity of that round sticker and you can wonder if your California is still under warranty at all then and if this ‘part’/check-up is covered by the warranty..