Which electric car to buy?

I guess Porsche are giving the EU the bird


Porsche have efuels on the horizon, plus their client base can absorb any potential price increase.
If Porsche are fined £15k per unit, they’ll add it to the cost of the car. Won’t make much difference to a GT3 owner…
 
Porsche have efuels on the horizon, plus their client base can absorb any potential price increase.
If Porsche are fined £15k per unit, they’ll add it to the cost of the car. Won’t make much difference to a GT3 owner…
Exactly this. EV Macan keeps the cash flow strong.

Ramp up the profit on the special ed model 911s

Dakars sold out at £170k etc GT3RS - name your price (though the wing is grotesque on road!)

Synthetic fuel will be their breakthrough.
 
Porsche have efuels on the horizon, plus their client base can absorb any potential price increase.
If Porsche are fined £15k per unit, they’ll add it to the cost of the car. Won’t make much difference to a GT3 owner…
If you sell EV Macans and Taycans and soon Boxsters and Caymans, you don’t actually need to pay the £15k fine at all.
It’s a logical scheme but all manufacturers (today BMW) are complaining about it, sadly as you might expect.

Putting tariffs on Chinese EVs is like putting your finger in the dam. Not a long term solution. The only viable option is to make all your best selling vehicles EVs.
 
So then .................... (btw I haven't bothered to re read all the previous pages) we have recently taken the plunge and bought a 4 year old Mini Cooper S to compliment the Cali.

Jeez! It really is the most fun! Quiet, fast (very!) easy to 'nip around in' and compliments the Cali perfectly as far as we are concerned. We have had it for 6 weeks now and can't stop grinning. Yes it's small and the range is rubbish, but it is SO delightful to drive that those two elements are not an issue for us. Due to our solar and using Octopus Go it costs virtually nothing to run (even without solar it would be less than £2.50 per hundred miles which is £20 less than the van). I really never knew how much joy an electric car could bring to my life.


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For the last 3 weeks I’ve been using an id.buzz LWB while VW repair the damage they did to my Beach. Yes, it’s taken 3 weeks and not ready yet! Over this time I have warmed to the buzz. My initial impression was tainted by the seemingly poor range. I picked it up with 96% charge and a range of about 230 miles, and that’s with the 86 kWh battery.

Plus points are the huge amount of legroom for passengers in all three rows of seats, while folding all the seats down enabled me to get a massive amount of junk in the back to take to the local recycling centre.

Despite being about 5m long I found it easy to use in London and it’s great on the motorway. The seats are really comfortable for longer journeys and once I’d discovered the heated steering wheel, going back to the Beach will be just that little bit harder.

I actually think it would make quite an interesting camper conversion proposition, using the passenger vehicle as a Beach style weekend camper or the Cargo as a more dedicated camper.

Having charged a few times now, the last one gave me an estimated range of 345 miles, but that’s using my eco driving skills to the max! The regenerative ‘B’ driving mode seems very well executed to me, and with a bit of practice you can pretty much drive with one pedal around town. The regen mode makes it really economical for town use and I would think a genuine 300+ miles range is doable. Obviously, you need to take into account that the recommended charge is 80%, so I would likely keep the 100% charges for longer runs. The best I’ve achieved so far is 3.6 miles per kWh over a full charge, and a mix of town and motorway driving, which equates to 310 miles full to empty.

On the negative side, I do think VW have made a mistake by not including a rail system like the Multivan. The rear seats just fold down and I’m not sure if they are all removable. I think just the third row can be taken out.

Overall, I’ve definitely grown to like it, but would I buy one new for £60k+ … I’m not so sure.

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For the last 3.5 years we've had a another VW group product a Skoda Enyaq EV.
Initial plan was to keep the car at the end of its lease but to be honest we cant wait to get rid of it.
Plagued by software issues, intermittently non working sunroof, and recent battery cell replacement the initial enthusiasm has wayned not helped by poor dealer customer care.
Battery range is below expectations despite having the optional heat pump this combined with charging infrastructure issues has made the ownership experience rather frustrating.
 
Having an ID.3 for the past 2 years I share your frustration.

Really tempted by the KIA EV3 as our next vehicle, coming July.
 
Yes Kia EV3 or Renault 5. But then the ID.1 looks as funky. Prob will be falling short of Kia and Renault.
 
Have been looking at small EVs as a station car / kids runaround. I really like the renault5 but all the EVs are coming out at about £5k per year to insure with a 22 year old on the policy.

Hadn't really considered EVs seriously before but now having moved house we have a car charger and a 7m x 7m south facing garage roof crying out for solar. Add to that that daughter is insisting on an auto so sort of makes sense.

Anyone found an EV thats cheap to insure?
 
For the last 3.5 years we've had a another VW group product a Skoda Enyaq EV.
Initial plan was to keep the car at the end of its lease but to be honest we cant wait to get rid of it.
Plagued by software issues, intermittently non working sunroof, and recent battery cell replacement the initial enthusiasm has wayned not helped by poor dealer customer care.
Battery range is below expectations despite having the optional heat pump this combined with charging infrastructure issues has made the ownership experience rather frustrating.
Should have gone for the Model Y Tesla. As I did. Totally faultless.
 
Ik denk dat ik heb besloten dat de perfecte aanvulling op onze Cali-oceaan een elektrische auto is voor de dagelijkse ritten die we maken. Ik vroeg me af of ik jullie collectieve breinen mag gebruiken voor de volgende vragen waar ik over nadenk.

1. Moet ik voor de VW ID3, Hyundai Kona of Kia E Niro gaan? Iemand ideeën of ervaringen met deze auto's?

2. Wat is de beste manier om een nieuwe auto te kopen? Is het het beste om te gaan voor de goedkoopste Carwow/drive the deal offertes of zijn er voordelen aan het direct via dealers gaan? Hoe krijg je een goede prijs?

3. Heeft u nog andere tips?

Alvast bedankt.
 
Ik denk dat ik heb besloten dat de perfecte aanvulling op onze Cali-oceaan een elektrische auto is voor de dagelijkse ritten die we maken. Ik vroeg me af of ik jullie collectieve breinen mag gebruiken voor de volgende vragen waar ik over nadenk.

1. Moet ik voor de VW ID3, Hyundai Kona of Kia E Niro gaan? Iemand ideeën of ervaringen met deze auto's?

2. Wat is de beste manier om een nieuwe auto te kopen? Is het het beste om te gaan voor de goedkoopste Carwow/drive the deal offertes of zijn er voordelen aan het direct via dealers gaan? Hoe krijg je een goede prijs?

3. Heeft u nog andere tips?

Alvast bedankt.
Geen gewoon brandstof
 
Same with our Model 3;

(3.5 years into a 4yr / 40k miles lease,will order another.)
You'll love the revised Model 3 - it is SO quiet!

And I must say that the Tesla supercharger network with the effortless in-built route and charging planning, combined with my EV 7.9p per kWh overnight tariff and home charger have made the running costs negligible.
 
You'll love the revised Model 3 - it is SO quiet!

And I must say that the Tesla supercharger network with the effortless in-built route and charging planning, combined with my EV 7.9p per kWh overnight tariff and home charger have made the running costs negligible.

We have covered 40k miles but only charged outside of home approx 20 times, most charging has done at home partly from solar / battery combo.

I like the fact that no servicing is required, all software updates are done over the air. Any warranty work booked is on an app, car can be dropped off / collected 24/7 & always has a quick lead time.
 
Have been looking at small EVs as a station car / kids runaround. I really like the renault5 but all the EVs are coming out at about £5k per year to insure with a 22 year old on the policy.

Hadn't really considered EVs seriously before but now having moved house we have a car charger and a 7m x 7m south facing garage roof crying out for solar. Add to that that daughter is insisting on an auto so sort of makes sense.

Anyone found an EV thats cheap to insure?
It could be related to the fact that they are automatic. A driving instructor friend told me that fellow instructors he knows are moving back to teaching on a manual car because there are more potential customers. He said the reason is insurance costs for automatics can be too high for youngsters.
 
Have been looking at small EVs as a station car / kids runaround. I really like the renault5 but all the EVs are coming out at about £5k per year to insure with a 22 year old on the policy.

Hadn't really considered EVs seriously before but now having moved house we have a car charger and a 7m x 7m south facing garage roof crying out for solar. Add to that that daughter is insisting on an auto so sort of makes sense.

Anyone found an EV thats cheap to insure?

An EV is also likely to me more expensive to buy than a traditional £500 old banger, which used to be the favoured car for learners drivers, also handy for learning basic car skills (checking oil/water etc)

EV’s also more expensive to repair. A lot of normal repair companies won’t touch them as they need to isolate the batteries before doing certain types of work - although this seems to be changing. Plus a damage to battery might me enough for a car to be written off.

That said, in theory you are less likely to have an accident in most EV’s as they are generally packed with safety aids - auto braking / steering etc.

The trouble with safety aids is that they can’t make up for lack of common sense; my wife reversed one of our old cars into a car park bollard - “ the sensors didn’t go off”…the car was that old it did not have them…no excuse for not using the eyes/rear view mirror!
 
It could be related to the fact that they are automatic. A driving instructor friend told me that fellow instructors he knows are moving back to teaching on a manual car because there are more potential customers. He said the reason is insurance costs for automatics can be too high for youngsters.
EVs are not automatics. They literally (with a few rare exceptions) have no gearbox because their electric motors have nearly 100% torque from zero revolutions. That’s part of what makes them stupidly cheap to manufacture, along with no oil pump, no water pump, no fuel pump, no valves or camshafts to time them, no pistons, rings, crankshaft, etc., etc., etc. When you think about the thousands of parts in an ICE compared to the three moving parts in an EV engine that on top of it don’t need regular maintanence, and that these vehicles command a price premium over ICE vehicles, it becomes clear that once research delivers a cheap battery, it’s the manufactures who will drive the switch to EVs, not buyers. And EVs do this with a silence and smoothness that make ICE vehicles the Flintstones of motorized transportation. If battery technology were resolved, and it will be, given the huge research budgets that manufactureres are throwing at it, no buyer would consider an ICE vehicle any more than they would buy a mule for transportation.

Edit: BYD has just introduced 400km charging in 5 minutes.
 
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EVs are not automatics. They literally (with a few rare exceptions) have no gearbox.
They are regarded as automatic as far as driving licences are concerned.
Perhaps I should have just said my daughter wants a car where she doesn’t need to change gear, but then someone else being pedantic would have said you need to on all cars unless you never reverse.

I’m not after an old banger, she has had a manual licence for two years, and already has a manual mini. Her rush hour drive to either university, or her part time job is half an hour of queuing traffic both ways.
 
They are regarded as automatic as far as driving licences are concerned.
Perhaps I should have just said my daughter wants a car where she doesn’t need to change gear, but then someone else being pedantic would have said you need to on all cars unless you never reverse.

I’m not after an old banger, she has had a manual licence for two years, and already has a manual mini. Her rush hour drive to either university, or her part time job is half an hour of queuing traffic both ways.
Are UK drivers not allowed to drive manuals unless they are tested during their driver’s exam? Sorry, didn’t know. I got my first provisional driver’s licence at the age of 15 1/2 in Califòrnia using the automatic car provided by my city’s high school, which had also provided driving lessons and safety education as a regularly scheduled part of the currículum. I’ve had car and motorcycle licences in the US, Mexico and Spain, and there was nothing during the exam or on the license that mentions if I can use a clutch. Sounds like a good idea.
 
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They are regarded as automatic as far as driving licences are concerned.
Perhaps I should have just said my daughter wants a car where she doesn’t need to change gear, but then someone else being pedantic would have said you need to on all cars unless you never reverse.

I’m not after an old banger, she has had a manual licence for two years, and already has a manual mini. Her rush hour drive to either university, or her part time job is half an hour of queuing traffic both ways.
For comparison, how much is the insurance for a manual mini?
 

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