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Cyclists: Scourge of the streets?

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I quite agree. It's why headphones are banned at most running events. quite dangerous, even with aftershokz bone conductor headsets. Apart from anything else though no point me having earphones as the noises I make gasping for breath would drown them out o_O

My big beef with cyclists are the lack of an audible warning. My bicycle at least has a bell,
Is it not the case that all cycles have to have a bell by law?
 
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They have to be sold with a bell and lights. Nothing in the law to stop people removing them.
They certainly have to be sold with a bell and front and rear reflectors, and if sold with pedals, pedal reflectors. They don’t need to be sold with lights, but if used at night lights must be used and there are various flashing options permitted.
 
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They certainly have to be sold with a bell and front and rear reflectors, and if sold with pedals, pedal reflectors. They don’t need to be sold with lights, but if used at night lights must be used and there are various flashing options permitted.
So, to ride bicycle without lights at night is against the law?

I never realised I live in such a lawless area :shocked

There are at times I feel as though I am on an obstacle course driving at night and having to avoid dark-clothed individuals appearing suddenly out of the shadows with no lights and perfect camouflage :sad
 
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Lights are an individuals responsibility. A bit like taxing and insuring a vehicle. Reflectors are a legal requirement when selling a bike. The assumption being that there is a min provision if the persons doesn't purchase lights.
 
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You state the obvious. The fact that some people using other forms of transport are also badly behaved is not in contention. Those responsible also need to moderate their behaviour. However, that wasn't the subject of this thread.

There are plenty of people queuing up to defend the cyclist and I have no problem with that just so long as it is recognised that badly behaved cyclists are becoming a significant issue in some areas. The very fact that there is an ongoing heated debate about this issue backed up by much video evidence suggests that this should at least be acknowledged and not dismissed as being "no worse".
I think one issue is that whilst agreeing that video evidence does indeed suggest an increase in poor cyclist behaviour, there is far more video evidence of poor motorist behaviour, so much so that there is plenty of footage to fill several TV series on the subject - yet no one is saying “Motorists : Scourge of the Streets” simply because a decent motorist like all of us (I assume) recognise those incidents of poor motoring to be the act of a careless or selfish idiot .
The point previously made stands up - some people are the scourge of society, sometimes maybe in a bar showing bad behaviour and sometimes on a bike or driving a car.
I’m also guessing that the feeling that any of this is getting worse is exacerbated by the fact that over the years there has been more and more opportunity to grab video evidence of it - phones, Go-Pro’s , Dash Cams etc
 
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I see it like this. Having fired a few weapons in my life I was truly "taken in" by the Browning 9mm (Even put the GPMG and H&K MP5 to shame). It made me feel empowered.

I feel that this is the issue with drivers these days. Once in their car, van or HGV, they are master, ruler, judge and in some instances executioner. Nothing gets in the way, even logic is dispensed with. They are in the right and how dare anyone suggest otherwise. Their vehicle is their kingdom, it offers them protection and courage in equal amounts. It's their kryptonite.

It must be protected and its honour upheld. For it, they have to pay and as a result, those who do not, in their perception, have no right to share what's rightfully belongs to the group known as the ..................Righteous Motorist
 
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I see it like this. Having fired a few weapons in my life I was truly "taken in" by the Browning 9mm (Even put the GPMG and H&K MP5 to shame). It made me feel empowered.

I feel that this is the issue with drivers these days. Once in their car, van or HGV, they are master, ruler, judge and in some instances executioner. Nothing gets in the way, even logic is dispensed with. They are in the right and how dare anyone suggest otherwise. Their vehicle is their kingdom, it offers them protection and courage in equal amounts. It's their kryptonite.

It must be protected and its honour upheld. For it, they have to pay and as a result, those who do not, in their perception, have no right to share what's rightfully belongs to the group known as the ..................Rightfulness Motorist
It certainly feels like the NRA in here sometimes
 
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I don’t think the issue is any worse. In fact the whole reason for poor behaviour by cyclists being so noticeable is that it is so rare. Teenagers today are far more likely to be sedentary in front of a games console than terrorising a senior generation on their bikes.
Not in London. I even had one bring his bike into my office lobby and steal an Apple laptop out of the flat above the office. Mind you they were having a party and left the door open so they didn’t have run up and down to let their guests in. :rolleyes:
 
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I would say if you are correct then we are doomed because humans will not change on mass to cure the problem, and I would think it’s too late anyway.

I choose to believe that we will change enough to stop polluting and technology will help us adapt to the results of global climate change.
Humans changed massively in the 80s and 90s to eliminate fluorocarbon refrigeration and spray can gasses that were destroying the ozone layer. We listened to the scientists. Why can’t we change now? What has changed to stop us from listening to the advice of scientists?
 
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Humans changed massively in the 80s and 90s to eliminate fluorocarbon refrigeration and spray can gasses that were destroying the ozone layer. We listened to the scientists. Why can’t we change now? What has changed to stop us from listening to the advice of scientists?
Not to get political but I believe it’s Socialist dogma. Click bait media does not help, couching every thing as a drama. Look how much science has changed this Country since the 60s, even the poorest live far better lives now. We need to be schooled in positivity rather than negativity, the world would be a much happier place.
 
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Not to get political but I believe it’s Socialist dogma. Click bait media does not help, couching every thing as a drama. Look how much science has changed this Country since the 60s, even the poorest live far better lives now. We need to be schooled in positivity rather than negativity, the world would be a much happier place.
So you’re saying we we should not listen to the scientists because their message is too negative?
 
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Sorry, I wasn’t clear. No not at all, but if we take the case for climate change being blamed on human activity by scientists. I worry the science is not conclusive to prove either point. I would like to see the finest minds on both sides of the argument be employed by say the The G21 to provide independent science that can then be examined by an independent body of with no skin in the game, who’s job it is to come up with solutions based solely on facts. At the moment both sides of this argument have lied and exaggerated so neither side are credible. Sorry for rambling on..
 
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Sorry, I wasn’t clear. No not at all, but if we take the case for climate change being blamed on human activity by scientists. I worry the science is not conclusive to prove either point. I would like to see the finest minds on both sides of the argument be employed by say the The G21 to provide independent science that can then be examined by an independent body of with no skin in the game, who’s job it is to come up with solutions based solely on facts. At the moment both sides of this argument have lied and exaggerated so neither side are credible. Sorry for rambling on..
So, just to be clear, you’re saying climate scientists have lied and exaggerated.
 
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You can prove anything with facts. I think climate change is very real. BUT it is a natural phenomena that happens over 1000s of years slowly but surely due to the irregular orbit of earth around its parent star. It doesn't happen in 20 years like they seem to say. Humans do need to stop littering like the idiots they seem to be these days and they need to stop lopping down forests. Unfortunately they won't so we are still doomed. Oh back on topic. I took the train today and cycled home the wrong way down a one way street.
 
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No, I am saying scientists on both side of the debate have lied and exaggerated both their findings and the accuracy of their climate models. Both seem to refuse to accept the validity of any of the others arguments.
 
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You can prove anything with facts. I think climate change is very real. BUT it is a natural phenomena that happens over 1000s of years slowly but surely due to the irregular orbit of earth around its parent star. It doesn't happen in 20 years like they seem to say. Humans do need to stop littering like the idiots they seem to be these days and they need to stop lopping down forests. Unfortunately they won't so we are still doomed. Oh back on topic. I took the train today and cycled home the wrong way down a one way street.
This would be my likely conclusion, but I am open to be persuaded otherwise. With regard to cycling the wrong way down a one way street, you should turn yourself into the police immediately or alternatively donate to a save the Amazon fund.
 
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This would be my likely conclusion, but I am open to be persuaded otherwise. With regard to cycling the wrong way down a one way street, you should turn yourself into the police immediately or alternatively donate to a save the Amazon fund.
There's a joke there about buying some ink cartridges but I won't use it. I saved the rain forest today using my bike. 1 step at a time people
 
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You can prove anything with facts. I think climate change is very real. BUT it is a natural phenomena that happens over 1000s of years slowly but surely due to the irregular orbit of earth around its parent star. It doesn't happen in 20 years like they seem to say. Humans do need to stop littering like the idiots they seem to be these days and they need to stop lopping down forests. Unfortunately they won't so we are still doomed. Oh back on topic. I took the train today and cycled home the wrong way down a one way street.
Well, you’ve certainly taken a position. I have to admit, it’s kind of breathtaking to see it laid out like that.
 

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