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Hello and any opinions on a Beach vs Caravelle+roof?

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da_murphster

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All, long time lurker and T5.1 Caravelle owner that has utilised many threads on here for help - finest achievement is the rear tray and associated cooking and storage modules.

I've had my Caravelle for 18 months or so and loved it as a family adventure wagon for 3 Euro trips and several camping trips.

I was considering a pop top on my Caravelle but the cost is high, but my biggest brake to doing it was my current Caravelle is 135k and 13 years old. Just not sure its worth it on my van.

A beach was the obvious upgrade option but as a daily family wagon I'm struggling with the lower spec they usually are (manual, no leather, no climate, 140/150 over my current biturbo 180 (I know the history of these engines BTW). I'd be looking at at least an extra £10k over mine for a beach and it would be comparatively basic spec.

Another option is a decent spec T6 204 Caravelle (with adaptive cruise, DSG, adaptive suspension etc) and add the beach pop top - I could do this for comfortably under £40k. I came from a 400bhp V8 estate so a 204bhp is appealing!

Of note there is a nice T6 beach on fleabay for £40k....but 150bhp, manual a/c, no adaptive suspension, no adaptive cruise etc.

I could retrofit Beach/Cali rear blind & chair holder, vanessa rear bags for rear windows.....so its just the mid two windows I'd be missing the beach blinds on (I do not think anyone has retrofitted these have they?)

So - Caravelle with roof vs beach - residuals? anything I've not thought of?

Residuals are important to me as I'd be stretching myself for a £40k van.
 
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Just to add I really like the electric closing doors and caravelle seat system so not really looking at alternative T5/T6 conversions.
 
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Beach! always..they hold their value and its VW design and factory conversion rather than a third party. More sought after,
 
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Beach! always..they hold their value and its VW design and factory conversion rather than a third party. More sought after,
I do like them but as this is a daily family vehicle the 'posher bits' from the Caravelle will be missed.

Me stepping from a T5.1 Caravelle to a similar age/mileage T5.1 Beach is £10k+ and a drop in spec.

A Caravelle with a (maybe OEM beach) pop top does seem attractive.

Losing my shirt on depreciation does worry me though.
 
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cool, if your going to keep it and happy stick with what you have. Ive had conversions in the past and just personal choice sticking with the Beach.
 
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We have a beach as our daily driver, I think by the time your think of trying to add factory blinds, electric hookup leisure battery’s etc plus the table in door and rear chairs in boot you would be better investing in a beach.

The only reason I’d personally consider converting a caravelle into a beach is if I had to have 4 motion as you can’t get that in the uk.
 
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We have a T6 Beach as a family car. It is fantastic and we regularly convert it from a 7 seat MPV to/from a four/five berth campervan.

I find the 150 engine ample for our needs.

Apart from the mid range engine, ours is very high spec., with ACC, tri-zone climate control, parking heater, 2 captains chairs in second row which convert to Group 2/3 child seats, etc.

It cost £44,444 new in March 2017, so I’m confident you could find a similar spec. for well under £40,000.

As a baseline, We Buy Any Car is currently valuing Amarillo at £28,755. You should look to be paying at least that.
 
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Another very high spec Beach T6 owner
former Velle T5 owner

have a serious look at a well specced Beach and try the150
 
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I do like them but as this is a daily family vehicle the 'posher bits' from the Caravelle will be missed.
What specifically on the Velle would you miss that’s not available on a Beach ?

@Catbus would be the person to ad, about the conversion, his looks exceptional, but I would assume it would come at a price ?
 
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Cheapest T6 beach on the market is £40k.


No leisure battery, no auto AC, no ACC, no heater.

Makes buying a high spec one in 2017 for £44k look a bargain!

Do prices drop in winter?
 
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Cheapest T6 beach on the market is £40k.


No leisure battery, no auto AC, no ACC, no heater.

Makes buying a high spec one in 2017 for £44k look a bargain!

Do prices drop in winter?
High spec = high residual on a Beach, they are much less common than Oceans, which makes finding a high Spec Beach the challenge.
 
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Cheapest T6 beach on the market is £40k.


No leisure battery, no auto AC, no ACC, no heater.

Makes buying a high spec one in 2017 for £44k look a bargain!

Do prices drop in winter?
I would suggest that one in your link may have a leisure battery, it has the 12v socket above the 230v internal three pin plug ?
worth an ask

Edit: Leisure Bat should have been standard on a T6 Beach (not so on T5.1 / T5 )

if it didn’t have the battery I believe it would be fairly simple to install a spilt charger and have the 230v hook up correctly wired to charge the LB when on EHU

It has Cruise Control on the steering wheel - see marked up photo

diesel night heater easy retro fit.

rear air con can’t be retro fitted

maybe worth checking the spec vs your requirements with the seller

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We have a T6 Beach as a family car. It is fantastic and we regularly convert it from a 7 seat MPV to/from a four/five berth campervan.

I find the 150 engine ample for our needs.

Apart from the mid range engine, ours is very high spec., with ACC, tri-zone climate control, parking heater, 2 captains chairs in second row which convert to Group 2/3 child seats, etc.

It cost £44,444 new in March 2017, so I’m confident you could find a similar spec. for well under £40,000.

As a baseline, We Buy Any Car is currently valuing Amarillo at £28,755. You should look to be paying at least that.
Try finding a 2017 Beach for under £40K at the moment. It would be a very high mileage if you did!
 
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My advice would be to decide whether you really ‘need’ a pop top.

If yes - Get a Beach
If No - Keep the Caravelle. You could still add a leisure battery/ portable power station, heater, and other bits relatively cheaply.

I have been through this thought process before buying. As others have said, by the time you add up all the bits, there is likely not a lot of difference in price and the Beach would hold its value better. On the other hand the recently converted ‘Calivelle’ on this site really does look amazing!!
 
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I assume as a daily driver the Caravelle meets your needs but you don't say what kind of use you are looking at in terms of camping. It sounds as though you like the current Caravelle. If it's in good condition it should last you for another few years. There's a chance that second hand prices will come down in a year or two when more pandemic purchasers realise it wasn't the right thing.

Why not try to make your Caravell work for your camping needs without spending on anything permanent like a pop-top?

You could get a roof mounted tent (possibly second hand) and sell it later on if you change your mind. Similarly you could get whatever kitchen solution you would get if you had a Beach, a portable LiFePo generator, etc. Basically things that you could either sell or transfer to a newer Caravelle or Beach at a later time.
 
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