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[cyb3rl4d]

According to the specs yes it runs off 12V

amazing thanks for the quick reply. I've just found out Amazon have a 30% off offer on it and I'm still in my return window for my Slate! So I've ordered the Spitz! Got to love Amazon's return policy!

 

[cyb3rl4d]

Rear panel

thank you so much this is whatI was looking for could not find a pic of the back!

 

[Nand0]

Thanks dude.
Unfortunately the GL M2 board decided to fry itself. GLiNet were excellent though and had it back and gave me a reduced price Spitz AX3000, which I have connected to two dome antennas so get really awesome 5G coverage by using a Smarty Sim. Also have a EE data only sim in SIM card 2.
Starlink works really nicely through the AX3000.
I’ll get some pics and pop them in here.

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How do you pass solar + 2 x puck cables into the cabin? No issues with water ingress?

 

[Californication69]

I just took a look at the Spitz, wow amazing bit of kit, do you know if it can run off 12v? Whats the PSU rating?

DC5521, 12V/2.5A (5.5*2.1mm) [default adapter] / 24V

 

[Californication69]

How do you pass solar + 2 x puck cables into the cabin? No issues with water ingress?

No issues at all.
And the UK has had an absolute sh it tonne rain in the last 6 months !

 

[Californication69]

Rear panel

Oh, maybe I’m pluggged into my 12v OOWolf 3 port ciggie lighter then !

 

[Californication69]

This one puck.
poynting 4-in-1 LTE/WiFi PUCK... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08GCTP18N/?tag=vwcalifornia-21

And the other
Poynting LTE MiMo PUCK 2-in-1... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07N86Y83D/?tag=vwcalifornia-21

 

[cyb3rl4d]

This one puck.
poynting 4-in-1 LTE/WiFi PUCK... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08GCTP18N/?tag=vwcalifornia-21

And the other
Poynting LTE MiMo PUCK 2-in-1... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07N86Y83D/?tag=vwcalifornia-21

Ordered the puck 7, what’s the benefit of having the other two cellular ports connected to another puck if all four operate in the same range (7 having greater spectrum coverage). Sorry I’m not clued up on why you need four vs two. Was hoping to have just the one puck on the roof, the less holes the better.

Regarding wifi connected to puck 7, does that limit the ability for your devices to connect to the router inside the van. Is the idea of using the puck for WiFi so you can relay to any local WiFi at a camp site, etc?

Thanks for all your support too, ordered a smarty and Lyca SIM too for testing.

Love the idea of one or two SIMs active for 90% of the time but having starlink as the backup just in case / in Europe where your capped on UK SIMs.

Do I need this level of connectivity no but I’m a gadget man lol!

 

[Kayleigh]

Ordered the puck 7, what’s the benefit of having the other two cellular ports connected to another puck if all four operate in the same range (7 having greater spectrum coverage). Sorry I’m not clued up on why you need four vs two. Was hoping to have just the one puck on the roof, the less holes the better.

Regarding wifi connected to puck 7, does that limit the ability for your devices to connect to the router inside the van. Is the idea of using the puck for WiFi so you can relay to any local WiFi at a camp site, etc?

Thanks for all your support too, ordered a smarty and Lyca SIM too for testing.

Love the idea of one or two SIMs active for 90% of the time but having starlink as the backup just in case / in Europe where your capped on UK SIMs.

Do I need this level of connectivity no but I’m a gadget man lol!

If you are purchasing the ax3000, I would suggest using it with the standard antenna to start with. You may well find you don’t need a puck on the roof at all for your needs. The router is 4x4 mimo (correct me if I’m wrong Bill). The puck 7 is 2x2 mimo so to achieve the best carrier aggregation you would require two pucks. You can purchase a 4x4 mimo puck, and if doing so, I would recommend this one:

Solwise - MIMO-4-4 POYNTING 4-IN-1 Omni-Directional, LTE/4G/5G, Transportation & Automotive Antenna- A-MIMO-0004-V1-04 | Solwise Ltd

www.solwise.co.uk

However, the reason for using two pucks is that they are low profile… about 30mm lower than the 4x4 puck above.
You don’t ‘need’ a puck with wifi. The external antenna on the ax3000 would be more than adequate. However, in the scenario where you are camping with friends and want to share your wifi, the roof mounted puck will likely offer a greater range.

Oh and I wouldn’t recommend drilling a hole in the roof!

 

[Californication69]

If you are purchasing the ax3000, I would suggest using it with the standard antenna to start with. You may well find you don’t need a puck on the roof at all for your needs. The router is 4x4 mimo (correct me if I’m wrong Bill). The puck 7 is 2x2 mimo so to achieve the best carrier aggregation you would require two pucks. You can purchase a 4x4 mimo puck, and if doing so, I would recommend this one:

Solwise - MIMO-4-4 POYNTING 4-IN-1 Omni-Directional, LTE/4G/5G, Transportation & Automotive Antenna- A-MIMO-0004-V1-04 | Solwise Ltd

www.solwise.co.uk

However, the reason for using two pucks is that they are low profile… about 30mm lower than the 4x4 puck above.
You don’t ‘need’ a puck with wifi. The external antenna on the ax3000 would be more than adequate. However, in the scenario where you are camping with friends and want to share your wifi, the roof mounted puck will likely offer a greater range.

Oh and I wouldn’t recommend drilling a hole in the roof!

Very nicely said! Thanks!
Exactly this !
Try it first @cyb3rl4d with antennas internally and see how you fair.
I have put mine on a shelf, so antenna wouldn’t fit.
I’ve now thought, why have I got it on the shelf when I no longer need to see it lol.

Must put it away in the cupboard.
With the raspberry pi Venus OS, Boon docker 12to48v, blackvue 770box, fuse board, PV switch, Victron mppt100/20, and tea maker and teddy bear.


I’m a gadget freak so tried it and it was ok.
But I thought why the hell not !
You’ll see on my pic, I bought aluminium plate to attach my 3rd and rear 120w solar panel.
So my two pucks are stuck with 3m tape to the plate and not the roof.
The cables come through the same gland as solar.
It fits just. But no issues with water ingress.

The WiFi is that good I get a signal through 3 walls at the back of the house.
And the California radio? is now connected to to the always on wifi.
So does updates OTA, and I can lock and unlock wherever.
Whereas sometimes I couldn’t due to the onboard VW data sim not having connection.

Wi-Fi inside the vehicle is good.
3 data sim is ridiculous fast sometimes.
With 746mb down and 56 up.
Or 600 down and 150 up.

You use GLi Goodcloud.xyz to connect to router remotely and reboot etc.
my Venus and blackvue all on 24/7 and I can view from anywhere in the world with no extra port forwarding / changing routes. Etc.

And then yep, connect in Starlink and away you go.
What the Ax3000 won’t do is connect to both sims simultaneously for faster speeds.
And it won’t fail over to one that’s got a better connection.
You have to do manually.
And if no remote connection as no connection on a sim, you have to log in when your in Cali and manually swap from sim 1 to 2.
But I found 3 was best coverage.
So removed and cancelled my EE sim.

 

[johnyboy]

You're going to need a different thread at this rate

 

[cyb3rl4d]

amazing thanks so much @Kayleigh and @Californication69 for all the pointers, I'll give the antennas that come with it a try first, thanks.

I'll then see how I get on with the puck7 not fixing it first to see how I get on, what happens if I use two for the puck and two with the antennas that come with it, would that cause an issue?

My smarty SIM has arrived today, so get to have a play with it all this weekend.

Thanks again!!!

 

[Kayleigh]

I'll then see how I get on with the puck7 not fixing it first to see how I get on, what happens if I use two for the puck and two with the antennas that come with it, would that cause an issue?

That should work. Do some experimenting using all the blade antennas that come with it. Using an external antenna is not guaranteed to give you better performance. You need to take into account the losses through the 2m of coax that you don’t have with internal antenna. The best way is to do some field tests and see what works best for your use case.
After doing my own tests with the Huawei modem I decided I didn’t need a roof mounted antenna. I may still get it modded though as I’m curious what speeds it can achieve with 4x4 + 2x2 MIMO, but I would still only use blade antennas (similar to what you get with the ax3000).

 

[cyb3rl4d]

That should work. Do some experimenting using all the blade antennas that come with it. Using an external antenna is not guaranteed to give you better performance. You need to take into account the losses through the 2m of coax that you don’t have with internal antenna. The best way is to do some field tests and see what works best for your use case.
After doing my own tests with the Huawei modem I decided I didn’t need a roof mounted antenna. I may still get it modded though as I’m curious what speeds it can achieve with 4x4 + 2x2 MIMO, but I would still only use blade antennas (similar to what you get with the ax3000).

thanks I'll see how I get on with it, one less hole in the van roof is good too!

thanks so much for all your detailed and quick answers!!!

 

[cyb3rl4d]

finished by Starlink flat mount, sprayed it the same colour as the van, my blue bin has a nice silver top too lol!

 

[Tourdeyorkshire]

Quick numpty question to those of you who are 2 steps ahead!

I have a Dishy v2 standard system. I'm interested in doing a PoE setup, using something like the XLTTYWL Starlink PoE Injector (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0CQC4321X/?tag=vwcalifornia-21) plus their adapter for the Dishy cable (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0CQLD84W4/?tag=vwcalifornia-21) and a 12v to 48v inverter (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0BHYRMPXL/?tag=vwcalifornia-21).

Do I then need a router or can I get away with a wireless access point? (I only wany wifi access - won't need ethernet). I can't find a reasonably priced basic router that runs on 12 volts - all the TP Link routers want 9 volts. Dunno if I need a full fat DNS wifi router or just an access point - would welcome your advice. Thanks, Ben.

 

[cyb3rl4d]

Quick numpty question to those of you who are 2 steps ahead!

I have a Dishy v2 standard system. I'm interested in doing a PoE setup, using something like the XLTTYWL Starlink PoE Injector (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0CQC4321X/?tag=vwcalifornia-21) plus their adapter for the Dishy cable (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0CQLD84W4/?tag=vwcalifornia-21) and a 12v to 48v inverter (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0BHYRMPXL/?tag=vwcalifornia-21).

Do I then need a router or can I get away with a wireless access point? (I only wany wifi access - won't need ethernet). I can't find a reasonably priced basic router that runs on 12 volts - all the TP Link routers want 9 volts. Dunno if I need a full fat DNS wifi router or just an access point - would welcome your advice. Thanks, Ben.

Quick numpty question to those of you who are 2 steps ahead!

I have a Dishy v2 standard system. I'm interested in doing a PoE setup, using something like the XLTTYWL Starlink PoE Injector (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0CQC4321X/?tag=vwcalifornia-21) plus their adapter for the Dishy cable (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0CQLD84W4/?tag=vwcalifornia-21) and a 12v to 48v inverter (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0BHYRMPXL/?tag=vwcalifornia-21).

Do I then need a router or can I get away with a wireless access point? (I only wany wifi access - won't need ethernet). I can't find a reasonably priced basic router that runs on 12 volts - all the TP Link routers want 9 volts. Dunno if I need a full fat DNS wifi router or just an access point - would welcome your advice. Thanks, Ben.

So if you want to have a few devices make a WiFi connection to the starlink dish (I expect you do) then you’ll need a router that does the WiFi and has a WAN port, think of the starlink dish as a modem or CPE device for full fibre (those little boxes BT put in your house that the router from your ISP connects to). So starlink provide you the dish (modem) and their router to allow your devices to share that starlink internet connection. Most like us don’t want to use the starlink router as you need to hook it up to a three pin plug and it does use a lot of elec to run so most of us swap out the starlink router with something better for mobile applications like the GL.iNet devices. But you don’t have to do this, if you don’t mind running the starlink router off a battery bank then you’re set. The issue is when you work out how long it will last. That’s why a lot of us use the starlink dish with an aftermarket 12v router then use some form of device to do the 48v PoE to power up the dish.

Oh to add, if you work out the cost of those three devices it would be cheeped for you to bet a dualie power supply from Boondocker a great bit of kit! Pop it into a 3D printed case and you’re set

Hope this helps

 

[Tourdeyorkshire]

I’ve gone for a Yaosheng 2 in 1 PoE and Ethernet adapter, which I’ll run on a standard step up 12v to 48v adapter. Boondocker looks a bit flakey with ordering at the mo. Looks like I can use a 12v to 9v step down to cover router power supply. Will report back when it’s all up and running.

 

[cyb3rl4d]

I’ve gone for a Yaosheng 2 in 1 PoE and Ethernet adapter, which I’ll run on a standard step up 12v to 48v adapter. Boondocker looks a bit flakey with ordering at the mo. Looks like I can use a 12v to 9v step down to cover router power supply. Will report back when it’s all up and running.

I've heard good things on the Yaosheng kit and as you say keeps the cabling as standard as possible. Yeah the ordering process of Boondocker is a bit all over the place. Let us know how you get on!

 

[Nand0]

No issues at all.
And the UK has had an absolute sh it tonne rain in the last 6 months !

Did you make holes in the gland to pass them all? how did you make the holes? got pics? I'm interested in hearing how you achieved this.

I already have a solar panel that came with the van, and was professionally installed. The installers punched a perfectly round hole on the gland to pass the cable through, so it's still water tight.

I was thinking of adding a puck to the roof as well but eventually concerns with the cable pass through put me off and I got an internal Netgear antenna instead, which tbh is working well although I have yet to test it in a dead spot I know to see if it makes a difference. And for a true 4x4 mimo (+ wifi perhaps) the cable was looking rather thick

I may also want to add additional solar and probably Starlink once they release the mini dish. So again, quite interested in hearing how you routed those fat wires

 

[yossarian]

can't find a reasonably priced basic router that runs on 12 volts

Mikrotik have quite a few. Latvian company.

 

[Webbah_in_Switzerland]

Just noticed a new setting for tilt. This is great! Starlink can now be used in forests and mountain areas as long as you have a straight up shot to the sky. Testing now with cliffs behind me and trees all around and working great! Used to be a dead zone.

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[Californication69]

Did you make holes in the gland to pass them all? how did you make the holes? got pics? I'm interested in hearing how you achieved this.

I already have a solar panel that came with the van, and was professionally installed. The installers punched a perfectly round hole on the gland to pass the cable through, so it's still water tight.

I was thinking of adding a puck to the roof as well but eventually concerns with the cable pass through put me off and I got an internal Netgear antenna instead, which tbh is working well although I have yet to test it in a dead spot I know to see if it makes a difference. And for a true 4x4 mimo (+ wifi perhaps) the cable was looking rather thick

I may also want to add additional solar and probably Starlink once they release the mini dish. So again, quite interested in hearing how you routed those fat wires

Sorry, missed this Q.
I’ve got the solar and two 6 cables from the pucks going into the gland at the rear.
No leaks as they go in a slit and it all works as it should.
I pop the Starlink cable through the window as wasn’t sure if I needed a permanent solution.
No mini dish from Elon yet.
Just a wider footprint, and with increased power needs.
So Dishy2 works perfectly good.

 

[Californication69]

Just noticed a new setting for tilt. This is great! Starlink can now be used in forests and mountain areas as long as you have a straight up shot to the sky. Testing now with cliffs behind me and trees all around and working great! Used to be a dead zone.

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Ohh nice.
Just switched mine back on for two weeks while we down deepest south west Cornwall.
I’ll check out the new firmware & SW on Sunday !

 

[Webbah_in_Switzerland]

Ohh nice.
Just switched mine back on for two weeks while we down deepest south west Cornwall.
I’ll check out the new firmware & SW on Sunday !

I just unpaused my subscription too after it sitting for months. Getting ready for summer travels to Italy, France and Portugal.


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