What essential accessories have you since ditched overboard?

[jimmywease]

Long time since i’ve steamed up the windows

Me too - ‘Netflix & Chill’ for me actually means Netflix & Chill!

 

[jimmywease]

Whilst its annoying, If anywhere, I would rather have the condensation form on the windscreen where it can easily be wiped dry, than the next common place which is the back of the under sink cupboards.
Water condensing in the cupboards ends up in a puddle at the bottom & isn't easy to wipe up.

Yes, I agree that the Beach is indeed a superior vehicle because it doesn’t have mouldy condensation traps, as does the Ocean.

 

[andyinluton]

Yes, I agree that the Beach is indeed a superior vehicle because it doesn’t have mouldy condensation traps, as does the Ocean.

You've got that round the wrong way - an ocean has nice sliding doors to give you access, the far inferior beach has permanently attached cheap plastic panels stopping access.

 

[Perfectos]

You've got that round the wrong way - an ocean has nice sliding doors to give you access, the far inferior beach has permanently attached cheap plastic panels stopping access.

Ocean: Access doors to the Damp that collected on the inside of the visible body work panels inside the van , when the lovely internal doors are open, (if they aren’t broken in the first place) & under the sink down one side (if no drawers fitted) and no access behind the Fridge & cheap plastic panels on the other ?

 

[WelshGas]

And you have already posted that you do not fix the windscreen curtain in place, just let it hang vertically. That has the effect of {drum roll} allowing air to circulate across the inside of the windscreen.

The beading on the bottom of the windscreen curtain is designed to tuck into the void between windscreen and dashboard (T6 and I think T5).

No one is saying that good ventilation doesn’t decrease condensation: it does. Replacing a curtain on the windscreen with an external cover decreased condensation on the windscreen. Deny it all you like but it does.

Deny it I will. Without a change in ventilation air changes, all the external screen will do is move the condensation around the vehicle. That’s just physics.

As I have stated before, but obviously not understood by yourself, the only thing that affects the level of condensation within the vehicle is the number of people and the degree of ventilation of the vehicle.
Internal blinds have no effect on the amount of condensation or it’s distribution, however they are fitted and External blinds have no effect on the amount of condensation, only the distribution.

Did you actually study Physics at school?

 

[WelshGas]

Oh dear - I only just got back from work and this exciting condensation discussion has descended into squabbling (in later posts)!

My beer can example was to illustrate the point that the introduction of a cold surface causes and collects condensation. I would think that external insulation will keep the inside of the windscreen a little warmer, causing less condensation on the windscreen. This reduction in condensation is not equal to an increase in condensation elsewhere.

Number of bodies, temperature & ventilation do indeed affect humidity and condensation but they aren’t part of my reasoning here. I was purely stating that I disagree with your assertion that condensation avoided at the windscreen then finds elsewhere to condensate.

Incorrect. Must have studied , or not, physics with Amarillo.

 

[WelshGas]

Yes, I agree that the Beach is indeed a superior vehicle because it doesn’t have mouldy condensation traps, as does the Ocean.

Check behind the trim panels. More of them in the Beach.
At least the cupboards can be opened on the Ocean, and the heat from the fridge compressor allows an element of air circulation due to convection currents.

 

[WelshGas]

Ocean: Access doors to the Damp that collected on the inside of the visible body work panels inside the van , when the lovely internal doors are open, (if they aren’t broken in the first place) & under the sink down one side (if no drawers fitted) and no access behind the Fridge & cheap plastic panels on the other ?

You forgot about the heat from the fridge compressor and the ventilation due to convection currents .

 

[jimmywease]

Back on topic:
Bellows Bungee (Did it too tight, probably caused bellows to detach at top corner and made it awkward to fold bellows behind latches)
Kampa Snappy Bin: Never an essential
but I really thought this would enhance my refuse game. Sadly it just created a problem, whilst trying to solve one that didn’t even exist! Tying a bin bag to a table leg is better.

 

[Perfectos]

Deny it I will. Without a change in ventilation air changes, all the external screen will do is move the condensation around the vehicle. That’s just physics.

As I have stated before, but obviously not understood by yourself, the only thing that affects the level of condensation within the vehicle is the number of people and the degree of ventilation of the vehicle.
Internal blinds have no effect on the amount of condensation or it’s distribution, however they are fitted and External blinds have no effect on the amount of condensation, only the distribution.

Did you actually study Physics at school?

Amarillo’s School was closed a lot of the time due to all the condensation the pupils were creating and the curtains did nothing to stop it !
Unlike WG who should stop it now he’s made his point again and again and again and again, and he’s still raging !
You need to open a window or something

where has everyones tolerance gone ?

 

[jimmywease]

Incorrect. Must have studied , or not, physics with Amarillo.

Show your working. Which part is incorrect?

PS Studied loads. Not with @Amarillo. Every day is a school day though...

 

[Perfectos]

I blame @Borris for raising such a controversial thread !

drop it now guys it’s becoming embarrassing or take it elsewhere on private chat

 

[Velma's Dad]

drop it now guys it’s becoming embarrassing or take it elsewhere on private chat

Nooooo.... just when I've been waiting for a discussion about the concavity of the Cali windscreen vis a vis the Kelvin Equation.

 

[Perfectos]

Nooooo.... just when I've been waiting for a discussion about the concavity of the Cali windscreen vis a vis the Kelvin Equation.

Should that be the Kevin Equation?

 

[WelshGas]

Show your working. Which part is incorrect?

PS Studied loads. Not with @Amarillo. Every day is a school day though...

No, can’t be bothered. If you can’t see the problem then there is no point wasting my time explaining it.
Greater minds than yours or mine have studied this and obviously I had a better Physics teacher.

 

[andyinluton]

Do I need to get out my Chudley building books with simple diagrams?
As part of designing a house for example, a huge amount of thought & calculation goes into working out the temperature gradients across things like external walls & avoiding cold surfaces meeting warm air without any ventilation.

We havn't really got started on the physics side of it yet. No one has mentioned the effect a change of air pressure has on the dew point.

 

[Calimili]

Two weeks ago, school holiday here, had a hard time finding a pitch at a local favourite camping site. I managed to book for 8 days, but had to move pitch every one or two days . So I decided not to bring the awning as too much work putting it up and down every one-two days. Also no big outdoor carpet. No tarpaulin to put under the awning. no carpet for the awning. No electric stove + cable to plug into the hook up cable every time, just a cheapo gas stove. No extra freezer. No water hose, just a 12l canister. Therefore no set of hose adapters.
It turns out I had a lovely holiday despite changing pitch so often. Easily done when you have less paraphernalia with you . I didn't miss having anything. Less is more. Funnily enough, no rear sagging!

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

I’m really torn. Do I watch the England match or the Condensation debate.

 

[CamperFam]

I’m really torn. Do I watch the England match or the Condensation debate.

The mastery of the ball and the action involved trumps the conversation debate on both parts; physics and excitement.

 

[Borris]

I blame @Borris for raising such a controversial thread !

drop it now guys it’s becoming embarrassing or take it elsewhere on private chat

Nooooo not yet, I was just getting ready to hold their coats.

 

[Amarillo]

Deny it I will. Without a change in ventilation air changes, all the external screen will do is move the condensation around the vehicle. That’s just physics.

As I have stated before, but obviously not understood by yourself, the only thing that affects the level of condensation within the vehicle is the number of people and the degree of ventilation of the vehicle.
Internal blinds have no effect on the amount of condensation or it’s distribution, however they are fitted and External blinds have no effect on the amount of condensation, only the distribution.

Did you actually study Physics at school?

You still don't get it!!!

And you still misrepresent what I have said.

Removing curtains reduces the condensation on the windows behind them.

I never made a claim about the whole vehicle - that is your misrepresentation - although I do think it likely that removing curtains will make some difference to overall condensation levels, assuming the vehicle is not hermetically sealed.

And yes, I did study physics at school.

 

[Perfectos]

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[WelshGas]

You still don't get it!!!

And you still misrepresent what I have said.

Removing curtains reduces the condensation on the windows behind them.

I never made a claim about the whole vehicle - that is your misrepresentation - although I do think it likely that removing curtains will make some difference to overall condensation levels, assuming the vehicle is not hermetically sealed.

And yes, I did study physics at school.

Maybe your son can help you out.

 

[Velma's Dad]

One all at HT. C'mon Scotlin' !!

 

[Moakesy]

I have two…

Thule tent. Bought second hand from AndyInLuton and never used.

ridge monkey. Potentially a bit controversial this one, initially loved it but now stuck in the under seat drawer and never used.