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One of the reasons I would never buy a home in a small village. Typical village mentality...

Then again, I don’t agree with second homes.
But these villagers who get the most worked up about second homes ownership, are the same bunch who’s Grandparents, brothers and aunties etc, sold property on beauty spots to the highest bidder...

Wondering why people are travelling to find some open space...?
Perhaps over development in our towns and cities. We need to look at what’s happened to our inner city green spaces.
Maybe a lesson can be learned from this going forward...
 
But key workers aren't the only people who should be at work. Everyone who cannot work from home can be at work. As far as I can tell, it is only non-food retail that has been shut down. And even then there are exceptions such as bicycle shops.

Correct.
I’m not classed as a key worker in the government’s context.
But my employer considers me a key worker for our operation and as such I’m still required into work...
 
List of closed businesses requested from 23 March:

Enforceable from 26 March:
 
I am not a lawyer (and this is not legal advice) :thumb But, as I understand it, in normal times, it is the job of the police to enforce the law. Something becomes a law when it is proposed (usually by Government) is voted on in parliament and passes through various stages into statute. We are not in normal times so the government have given the police powers to enforce things that are not (yet) laws. The question is do those things include both government instructions and government advice? I think the answer is yes

Broadly but not quite correct right at a level of detail level Joker - and the detail is always I think really important when measures that curb normal rights and entitlements of citizens are concerned, especially when they are draconian.

The measures most under debate in this thread are the removal of the right to move around outside your home . That has been outlawed except under a handful of defined "reasonable excuses". But that was not done through the Coronavirus Act 2020 which was scrutinised and passed by both houses of parliament last week.

Instead, it was enacted through secondary legislation, from a public health statute of 1984 which gave the Secretary of State the power to create new laws arbitrarily (in effect) by simply writing a Regulation - in this case the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 - which don't need parliamentary scrutiny, they just need to be 'laid before parliament'.

The government hasn't, as Joker described it, given the police powers to enforce things that are not yet laws (which it could never do, constitutionally), but it has instead created the laws, without the active scrutiny of parliament, it needs to fine and arrest people who leave home without sanction.

We might say that's essential and proportionate to save lives in the current emergency (I do, and morally I say we should in any case all be following the current advice for as long as is clearly necessary). But history shows that laws created during emergencies have a strong tendency to stay in place long after their sell-by date, and to be used in some cases for purposes for which they were never intended but 're-purposed' by law enforcers.

And unlike the main Coronavirus Act, which lapses after two years, the restrictions on our leaving home imposed under the Regulation have no 'sunset clause' - the Secretary of State (ie the government, the executive) must 'review' them every 21 days, but with no recourse to the legislature.

Some will say why am I banging on about details of legal rights, we all need to be doing the right thing, and people are at risk of dying. But I make no apology for keeping one eye on what our government is doing with our basic civil rights meanwhile. Trust, but verify.
 
Broadly but not quite correct right at a level of detail level Joker - and the detail is always I think really important when measures that curb normal rights and entitlements of citizens are concerned, especially when they are draconian.

The measures most under debate in this thread are the removal of the right to move around outside your home . That has been outlawed except under a handful of defined "reasonable excuses". But that was not done through the Coronavirus Act 2020 which was scrutinised and passed by both houses of parliament last week.

Instead, it was enacted through secondary legislation, from a public health statute of 1984 which gave the Secretary of State the power to create new laws arbitrarily (in effect) by simply writing a Regulation - in this case the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 - which don't need parliamentary scrutiny, they just need to be 'laid before parliament'.

The government hasn't, as Joker described it, given the police powers to enforce things that are not yet laws (which it could never do, constitutionally), but it has instead created the laws, without the active scrutiny of parliament, it needs to fine and arrest people who leave home without sanction.

We might say that's essential and proportionate to save lives in the current emergency (I do, and morally I say we should in any case all be following the current advice for as long as is clearly necessary). But history shows that laws created during emergencies have a strong tendency to stay in place long after their sell-by date, and to be used in some cases for purposes for which they were never intended but 're-purposed' by law enforcers.

And unlike the main Coronavirus Act, which lapses after two years, the restrictions on our leaving home imposed under the Regulation have no 'sunset clause' - the Secretary of State (ie the government, the executive) must 'review' them every 21 days, but with no recourse to the legislature.

Some will say why am I banging on about details of legal rights, we all need to be doing the right thing, and people are at risk of dying. But I make no apology for keeping one eye on what our government is doing with our basic civil rights meanwhile. Trust, but verify.
Looking at the practicalities, the Government cannot and would not want to keep people at home for any longer than is absolutely necessary. When 60+ million UK inhabitants get really hacked off with decorating and arguing on social media, they will revolt and leave home in ever increasing numbers. How would the police deal with all these revolting transgressers. The Government will have to relax these restrictions as soon as is practically possible otherwise if/when the second wave occurs, compliance will be much less effective than it is at present. So whilst they will probably stay in place for as long as this pandemic is a threat, I can see no reason why the Government would want these regulations effecting our movements to remain inforce any longer than that. Anyway they could always enact a similar regulation in exactly the same manner should we be unlucky enough to be hit by another Pandemic.
 
Key workers should have documents from their employer,identifying them as such, for production to the police if they are stopped and questioned on route to work.
We are not key workers, that is the problem, we all come under the category of workers that cannot work from home.
Still expected to do a full days work, but expected to reduce fees/take a pay cut due to the virus.
 
Everyone who cannot work from home can be at work.
Not everyone, your employer has to provide a safe place of work following the 2m rule etc. We have had to stop production as close contact in the workplace was unavoidable. 100 or so people have been furloughed, myself and about 10 others are left working to cover 24/7 essential maintenance/security etc.etc.
 
Not everyone, your employer has to provide a safe place of work following the 2m rule etc. We have had to stop production as close contact in the workplace was unavoidable. 100 or so people have been furloughed, myself and about 10 others are left working to cover 24/7 essential maintenance/security etc.etc.
Unfortunately this is another moving target, Tuesday Government advice was companies must ensure a 2m gap between employees, todays version is "Employers who have people in their offices or onsite should ensure that employees are able to follow PHE guidelines including, where possible, maintaining a 2m distance from others"

So its gone from "must" to "should where possible".
 
Not before time, some forces have definitely overstepped the mark. We know they are walking a tightrope at the moment but some of their tactics are ridiculous. A road to a local beauty spot near to my home was closed by police 2 days ago. Despite driving to exercise was not deemed illegal.
 
It really shouldn't but this article about a cyclist did make me laugh. Just the the one bit of exercise....


A professional triathlete has defended his decision to use his daily exercise allowance to complete a nine-hour bike ride.

Joe Skipper rode 201 miles (325km) around Norfolk, saying if he could only go out once he "better make it count".
 
It really shouldn't but this article about a cyclist did make me laugh. Just the the one bit of exercise....


A professional triathlete has defended his decision to use his daily exercise allowance to complete a nine-hour bike ride.

Joe Skipper rode 201 miles (325km) around Norfolk, saying if he could only go out once he "better make it count".

I was very tempted to run 13.1 yesterday for the same reason. My once a day allowance, make the most of it,
 
It really shouldn't but this article about a cyclist did make me laugh. Just the the one bit of exercise....


A professional triathlete has defended his decision to use his daily exercise allowance to complete a nine-hour bike ride.

Joe Skipper rode 201 miles (325km) around Norfolk, saying if he could only go out once he "better make it count".
Maybe there could an exchange system? He can have my exercise allowance as I’ve been on the sofa all day.
 
The police are there to enforce the law, not make it up.
That all ended many years ago... modern British policing is all about gaining 'consent' from the general public and maintaining their safety. I genuinely am not making this up !!

Programme on the TV the other week... one copper who's flat out all shift long, reckons that she gets to deal with 1 genuine crime every 2 weeks !
 
That all ended many years ago... modern British policing is all about gaining 'consent' from the general public and maintaining their safety. I genuinely am not making this up !!

Programme on the TV the other week... one copper who's flat out all shift long, reckons that she gets to deal with 1 genuine crime every 2 weeks !
UK policing has always been by consent, this is not a new invention
 
Sooooo
Boris leaves Hospital and heads straight home.
To Chequers...

:headbang
 
Give the man a bloody break, he's convalescing.

From today's Sun

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Mr Johnson's fiancee Carrie Symonds is seen leaving 10 Downing Street
Credit: Reuters


I hope she was either off to shop for essentials, going somewhere to exercise, off to seek urgent medical attention or going to work.

I suspect she was flouting the rules and heading off to a second home.
 
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Give the man a bloody break, he's convalescing.

The general public wonder why they have lost interest/trust in their politicians...

The last 4 weeks we have had it drummed down.
You must not leave your homes, no non essential travel...!!!

Hes just basically given the green light to every secondhome owner, up and down the country to p155 off to their out of town country retreat to sit it out for a bit.
You couldn’t make this stuff up...!!!
 
From today's Sun

NINTCHDBPICT000576663551.jpg

Mr Johnson's fiancee Carrie Symonds is seen leaving 10 Downing Street
Credit: Reuters


I hope she was either off to shop for essentials, going somewhere to exercise, off to seek urgent medical attention or going to work.

I suspect she was flouting the rules and heading off to a second home.
Funny how it is only the Sun that has that picture.
 
What PATHETIC comments. Both of you should get a Life.

So it’s ok, if I leave hospital and drive to my Beach house in Devon...???
 

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