About to buy a Cali from a dealer - do I need to run checks?

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hi,
Just about to purchase a used Cali from Struans in Dundee - (it's RF21 NPD in case anyone knows it's history). Do I need to do one of those car check things (outstanding finance etc) when buying from a dealer, or is that covered?
Thanks
 
hi,
Just about to purchase a used Cali from Struans in Dundee - (it's RF21 NPD in case anyone knows it's history). Do I need to do one of those car check things (outstanding finance etc) when buying from a dealer, or is that covered?
Thanks
The dealer should be able to provide you with a copy of the HPI Check. (Or similar scheme) They carry out the checks as a matter of course and should make it available to the customer.
 
hi,
Just about to purchase a used Cali from Struans in Dundee - (it's RF21 NPD in case anyone knows it's history). Do I need to do one of those car check things (outstanding finance etc) when buying from a dealer, or is that covered?
Thanks
It will be covered.
 
hi,
Just about to purchase a used Cali from Struans in Dundee - (it's RF21 NPD in case anyone knows it's history). Do I need to do one of those car check things (outstanding finance etc) when buying from a dealer, or is that covered?
Thanks
I would. I bought a pre-registered one from a main VW franchised dealer and they didn’t own it at all. It was still owned by their finance arm. If the finance arm went bust then whosever bought the debt would have owned my van and could claim it any time they wanted to. My dispute would have been with the dealer who would probably go bust at the same time. I would have lost the money and the van with no realistic claim on either. Remember, the banks would have been at the front of the queue. Debts are routinely repackaged and bought and sold. Remember CDOs and the financial crisis? That was the end result last time. It took a lot of pushing on my part and a refusal to actually pay for the van for them to transfer the van from the finance arm of the company to the dealer itself who only then could sell it to me. By operating this way, the franchised dealer would have freed up tens of millions of cashflow that they could use for other things such as buying complex financial derivatives - and playing a role in the next financial crisis! If the dealer doesn’t own it then you can’t actually buy it from them. Remember the ownership documents are nothing of the sort - they are simply a record of a the registered keeper of the vehicle. You could hand a dealer £70k and get a worthless piece of paper in return. And it’s all perfectly legal and quite normal in financial circles.


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I would. I bought a pre-registered one from a main VW franchised dealer and they didn’t own it at all. It was still owned by their finance arm. If the finance arm went bust then whosever bought the debt would have owned my van and could claim it any time they wanted to. My dispute would have been with the dealer who would probably go bust at the same time. I would have lost the money and the van with no realistic claim on either. Remember, the banks would have been at the front of the queue. Debts are routinely repackaged and bought and sold. Remember CDOs and the financial crisis? That was the end result last time. It took a lot of pushing on my part and a refusal to actually pay for the van for them to transfer the van from the finance arm of the company to the dealer itself who only then could sell it to me. By operating this way, the franchised dealer would have freed up tens of millions of cashflow that they could use for other things such as buying complex financial derivatives - and playing a role in the next financial crisis! If the dealer doesn’t own it then you can’t actually buy it from them. Remember the ownership documents are nothing of the sort - they are simply a record of a the registered keeper of the vehicle. You could hand a dealer £70k and get a worthless piece of paper in return. And it’s all perfectly legal and quite normal in financial circles.


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wow, that's a really insightful post. So yours was a new van (not used, but pre-registered?) but you ran a check and realised the potential problems of them not being the current owner. I guess that's the thing that gets people (i.e. me) confused - you can be the registered keeper, but someone else can "own" the vehicle....so how does the "ownership" status of the vehicle get transfered? Did the HPI check show up the finance company as the current owner rather than the dealer?
 
I would. I bought a pre-registered one from a main VW franchised dealer and they didn’t own it at all. It was still owned by their finance arm. If the finance arm went bust then whosever bought the debt would have owned my van and could claim it any time they wanted to. My dispute would have been with the dealer who would probably go bust at the same time. I would have lost the money and the van with no realistic claim on either. Remember, the banks would have been at the front of the queue. Debts are routinely repackaged and bought and sold. Remember CDOs and the financial crisis? That was the end result last time. It took a lot of pushing on my part and a refusal to actually pay for the van for them to transfer the van from the finance arm of the company to the dealer itself who only then could sell it to me. By operating this way, the franchised dealer would have freed up tens of millions of cashflow that they could use for other things such as buying complex financial derivatives - and playing a role in the next financial crisis! If the dealer doesn’t own it then you can’t actually buy it from them. Remember the ownership documents are nothing of the sort - they are simply a record of a the registered keeper of the vehicle. You could hand a dealer £70k and get a worthless piece of paper in return. And it’s all perfectly legal and quite normal in financial circles.


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I’m confused. This did happen or you were so worried it would happen you made a VW dealer buy a van from the VW Finance company?

VW. The second biggest auto company in the world.
 
If the van is grey, and recently had a new engine, check that all the bolts are done up….sorry, too soon?
 
It’s to do with this post…

 
Its ALWAYS advisable to get a prepurchase inspection by an independent (NOT AA). You can also have them look at the bodywork for previous accident damage repairs. What sort of warranty is the dealer offering?
 
I'd always advocate doing your own checks for the sake of a few pounds versus the cost of the van, better safe than sorry!??
 
Its ALWAYS advisable to get a prepurchase inspection by an independent (NOT AA). You can also have them look at the bodywork for previous accident damage repairs. What sort of warranty is the dealer offering?
I get the Autoguard warranty with it. I did look into if it's any good (especially around extending it), but that's a conversation that has been covered in other threads. Concensus seems to be that it's really difficult to actaully get them to pay up for anything as it's always down to "wear and tear".
 
I’m confused. This did happen or you were so worried it would happen you made a VW dealer buy a van from the VW Finance company?

VW. The second biggest auto company in the world.
It did happen to me. I made the dealer transfer the ownership to themselves so they could actually sell me the van, otherwise they would simply be accepting the money from me with no actual transfer of ownership as they didn’t legally own it. For you to own the van you need the legal owner (not the keeper) to transfer the ownership to you by giving you a receipt for the money and saying that they are legally transferring ownership to you in exchange for the money. The DVLC forms do not do the same thing even though many people assume they do.
 
It did happen to me. I made the dealer transfer the ownership to themselves so they could actually sell me the van, otherwise they would simply be accepting the money from me with no actual transfer of ownership as they didn’t legally own it. For you to own the van you need the legal owner (not the keeper) to transfer the ownership to you by giving you a receipt for the money and saying that they are legally transferring ownership to you in exchange for the money. The DVLC forms do not do the same thing even though many people assume they do.
Thx. I know how HP works. One assumed you meant they had gone bust, not that you were worried there were. I take legal ownership of all my cars and vans once HP is done and I pay the final balloon. I tried not to worry about the could or may happens. Life is too short and as I always deal with main dealers and OEMs and not wefinanceyourcarregardlessofyourcredithistory.com then it is a negligible to zero risk.
 
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