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I was looking at this earlier and the some of items I liked, like the LEDS and reversing camera are now standard. Also the app connect and Sat Nav are standard, plus adaptive cruise and a couple of others that I'd mentioned above. Of course you get all the niceties of it being brand new and unused. Oh and that new smell too! :D
I have no affiliation, but call Martin Skipp at Norwich - he has been brilliant with us over the last few months. Very competitive on price...
 
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I agree with the other comments. It does seem pricey for a used ex hire vehicle. Besides hire vehicles get used by all sorts who won't have the knowledge or respect that an owner would show it. So expect some minor damage. It is easy to be wooed by a nice California but you need to look at all your options before going for any particular vehicle. There are some good deals around at the moment so shop around. Here's one fully loaded Ocean that was available when I picked up our new van two weeks ago:

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It was sitting in SMG's showroom in Tonbridge Kent. It's not a 4motion but you'll probably only need that once every blue moon.

When you find one you like, pay no attention to the windscreen prices and go in hard. You should get around 12% off on a new one and I have read that some dealers are offering other inducements at the moment such as tax and insurance. So it will pay you to shop around. Don't forget to ask for the five year factory extended warranty. It's a no brainer at the price.

If you still want the ex Hire vehicle then make a counter offer and don't be too keen to get it as it won't be the only Cali that comes your way.

Good luck.
 
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Sunstoner

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I agree with the other comments. It does seem pricey for a used ex hire vehicle. Besides hire vehicles get used by all sorts who won't have the knowledge or respect that an owner would show it. So expect some minor damage. It is easy to be wooed by a nice California but you need to look at all your options before going for any particular vehicle. There are some good deals around at the moment so shop around. Here's one fully loaded Ocean that was available when I picked up our new van two weeks ago:

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It was sitting in SMG's showroom in Tonbridge Kent. It's not a 4motion but you'll probably only need that once every blue moon.

When you find one you like, pay no attention to the windscreen prices and go in hard. You should get around 12% off on a new one and I have read that some dealers are offering other inducements at the moment such as tax and insurance. So it will pay you to shop around. Don't forget to ask for the five year factory extended warranty. It's a no brainer at the price.

If you still want the ex Hire vehicle then make a counter offer and don't be too keen to get it as it won't be the only Cali that comes your way.

Good luck.
Boy that does look good in those tones under the showroom lights. :thumb

Thankyou for your much welcome advice Boris. I was pretty much blinkered to going ahead with that Cali until I posted yesterday. I was easily wooed by it. After all I had hired it for a month (in August) so a teeny bit of attachment there too ;) plus I've had some good dealings with the team at the hire company having had 3 campervans from them this year alone.

Im definitely going to put it back to them re the price and also look at other options including getting some more quotes for both the T6 and T6.1.

Id be quite daft of me not to given the feedback I've had here. So thankyou again :)
 
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As everyone has said on here the van your looking at is a great spec but expensive. We went through the same in August, had prices for new from a lot of dealers all of whom I have to say where a pleasure to talk to.
Went with a new in stock van from Liverpool with a few nice upgrades that we would have wanted including dsg for less than mid 55k including road tax.
Way lower deposit and final payment than the eBay van, ok less spec but way less price.
There are still a good few brand new vans on autotrader with decent specs, including road tax before you even discuss further discounts.
The big decision is whether to buy now or wait for the new model and what the overall price difference will be. Don’t think you can lose either way as the Cali is one of the least depreciating models.
good luck with your hunting, let us know how you get on!
 
Tom Rae

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I agree with the other comments. It does seem pricey for a used ex hire vehicle. Besides hire vehicles get used by all sorts who won't have the knowledge or respect that an owner would show it. So expect some minor damage. It is easy to be wooed by a nice California but you need to look at all your options before going for any particular vehicle. There are some good deals around at the moment so shop around. Here's one fully loaded Ocean that was available when I picked up our new van two weeks ago:

View attachment 52422
It was sitting in SMG's showroom in Tonbridge Kent. It's not a 4motion but you'll probably only need that once every blue moon.

When you find one you like, pay no attention to the windscreen prices and go in hard. You should get around 12% off on a new one and I have read that some dealers are offering other inducements at the moment such as tax and insurance. So it will pay you to shop around. Don't forget to ask for the five year factory extended warranty. It's a no brainer at the price.

If you still want the ex Hire vehicle then make a counter offer and don't be too keen to get it as it won't be the only Cali that comes your way.

Good luck.
Whilst it does look good, it is also hardly a bargain when looking at the PCP deal:
Duration 49 months
48 monthly payments of £634.39
Deposit £18713.59
Deposit Contribution £2750.00 (Paid by VWFS)
Retail price £71,545.30
Acceptance fee* £0.00
Optional final payment £29,139.83
Option to purchase fee** £10.00
Total amount payable £81,064.14
Total amount of credit £50,081.71
Representative APR 6.0%AP#R
Rate of interest 5.99% fixed


A cash purchase should get at least 10% off making it roughly the same price as Sunstoner's ex hire one with 7,000 miles.

Tom
 
Borris

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Whilst it does look good, it is also hardly a bargain when looking at the PCP deal:
Duration 49 months
48 monthly payments of £634.39
Deposit £18713.59
Deposit Contribution £2750.00 (Paid by VWFS)
Retail price £71,545.30
Acceptance fee* £0.00
Optional final payment £29,139.83
Option to purchase fee** £10.00
Total amount payable £81,064.14
Total amount of credit £50,081.71
Representative APR 6.0%AP#R
Rate of interest 5.99% fixed


A cash purchase should get at least 10% off making it roughly the same price as Sunstoner's ex hire one with 7,000 miles.

Tom
Hi Tom,
I think I may have given you the wrong impression. I wasn't suggesting that the OP takes the finance deal that's attached to that Ebay advertisement. TBH I hadn't even looked at that! Anyway, how the OP finances his van is a matter for he/she. I merely included the picture of the van to illustrate what's still out there in dealers showrooms and the only picture I had of that van was the one on Ebay. My point was that nice new T6 Oceans are still out their so "get em while they're hot".

Having bought three Californias from SMG I know that they are one of the few really good dealerships to buy from. Also having just purchased our third van I am aware of the current discounts available.
Paul.
 
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I think you’ve already had your eyes opened, but just to say I bought a van with pretty much everything in your list, plus more, 18 months ago with 800 miles on the clock. Cost me about the same money as yours (list price was just over £80k).

I’d I were you, I’d definitely look at the 6.1. I played with the configurator out of interest and was surprised just how few options are needed these days.
 
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for comparison, i discussed a brand new one from aberdeen for about £52k, led lights, comfort mattress, alloys, no reverse camera. plus £1000 of accessories included (bike rack, hardwired dashcam and mats)
they had £9k off to clear stock - i think aberdeen and edinburgh are offering the same offer but other dealers are doing similar. i think preston(?) had a similar stock deal that was my 2nd choice

edit: this was a t6 ocean, also had bed extension and upgraded carplay stereo
 
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Sunstoner

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Well I've had a quote from Autoebid on the following spec: (which matches the T6 that I was quoted on minus the elec sliding door)

Volkswagen California 199PS T6.1 Ocean DSG Auto7 - £66,2k / £69,3k with 4Motion.

Options:
Metallic Paint - Mojave Beige - GBP 750.00
Interior - ArtVelours - seat centre section with seat bolsters in leather look - GBP 1230.00
Heated front windscreen - GBP 492.00
Chrome package - GBP 456.00
High Beam Assist - GBP 156.00
18" x 8J "Teresina" Black, diamond-turned alloy wheels - GBP 924.00
Bed extension with comfort sleeping mat - GBP 312.00
4 remote control folding keys - GBP 114.00


. As I said above. An eye opener all this. Have to process this. Get some quotes from some dealers too. Even with out the options above its still a fabulous motor which then pushes it much cheaper than the T6.

I need a beer.
 
Sunstoner

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I’d I were you, I’d definitely look at the 6.1. I played with the configurator out of interest and was surprised just how few options are needed these days.
It is surprising to see just what is included in the new California and it does appear that for the same money as that T6, I can get my sweaty little paws on a T6.1.

:)
 
Elmo the Ocean

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It is surprising to see just what is included in the new California and it does appear that for the same money as that T6, I can get my sweaty little paws on a T6.1.

:)
What discount are they offering on a 6.1? Circa 15% with the incentives was not uncommon on the last T6’s so you have to take that into account.
 
Sunstoner

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What discount are they offering on a 6.1? Circa 15% with the incentives was not uncommon on the last T6’s so you have to take that into account.
its looking more like 7-9% discount if the quote that I've mentioned above is anything to go by.
 
Moakesy

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It is surprising to see just what is included in the new California and it does appear that for the same money as that T6, I can get my sweaty little paws on a T6.1.

:)
Exactly. I was surprised just how the price works out.

BTW....if you'd rather buy my T6 for £65k so I can go and buy a brand new T6.1, that's fine by me. I might even give you a discount !! :)



[moderators, this is a joke, I'm not really trying to sell my van!]
 
Sunstoner

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Exactly. I was surprised just how the price works out.

BTW....if you'd rather buy my T6 for £65k so I can go and buy a brand new T6.1, that's fine by me. I might even give you a discount !! :)



[moderators, this is a joke, I'm not really trying to sell my van!]
If it comes with a steering wheel you're on! :p [moderators please see reference 'joke' - wikipedia ] ;) :D
 
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If there is a contribution ( was£2700)with PCP , it will take the discount even higher.
 
Trevor Adams

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Liverpool Van Centre have some good deals on their remaining stock of T6’s. Worth a look. Our brand new T6 was £52k, though it is only a 150PS and a manual. It’s got App Connect and the Chrome Pack. I’d be wary of paying that much for 2nd hand, even with low mileage and all the options.
 
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Im looking at purchasing our very first Cali next year, possibly in the first qtr of next year.

I have identified the vehicle I want. Its a March 2019 Ocean and its from a hire company.

We actually hired this vehicle earlier this year for a month and it was a fabulous motor.

So as to help us to decide whether a campervan was a thing for us we actually have hired 3 vans off this company this year. 1 Conversion and 2 Cali's. The vehicle they've offered us is the one I most liked which happened to be the highest spec and just looked the business.

Knowing I was looking for a Cali, the hire company have offered me the option of buying it.

Its a 2019 T6, Mojave Ocean DSG 4Motion 199bhp. Itll have around 7-9k on the clock when we purchase and it has the following spec :

Elec sliding door
Heated Windscreen
Awning Rail in black
Leather / Alacantra Seats
Discovery Media Pro + DynAudio (love this option - its sounds great!)
Chrome Package
Leather Steering wheel
LED Lights
High beam assist
Green insulating glass
Hill Start / Hill Descent
Heated Front Seats
Premium Multicolour Display with Driver Alert (no idea what this is?!?)
10 Toluca Alloys
Bed extension + Comfort Mattress
4 x Remote keys
Front / Rear Parking Sensors with camera

Theyre asking £65k for this vehicle. Which seems about right, however I guess Ive got that feeling of 'is it right tho?' . I love the spec of the thing. it practically has everything I'd tick and more and looks very smart in Mojave Beige with the chrome finishing and bigger 18" wheels.

I suppose my only thoughts are to the new T6.1. However spec'ing up the new T6.1 similarly to the T6 pushes the vehicle over £76k. Although of course its the new / tweaked everything that you get with the T6.1 + plus a better resale value further down the line, although this latter point isnt so important.

My mind is pretty much made up, but splashing this kind of money on a vehicle just has me wanting to be sure that I've looked at it from all angles.

What are your thoughts?
Hi, you’ve already had a lot of helpful feedback and hopefully that’s enough to help you balance against this expensive ex-hire.
I would add only one thing really. The ‘attitude’ and price from dealers can be very variable so don’t be put off with negative responses on your way. Liverpool and Preston regularly get good feedback on this forum. That’s where I’m currently looking.
 
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Just to second the comment regarding "attitude"; when it goes wrong (ours has, big time) then attitude for me is far more important than saving an extra couple of hundred pounds, when balanced against £55-60k! I am so very glad my order is with Norwich, I chose them instead of another large dealership (exactly the same deal agreed) purely because of their attitude. That choice is now proving to be the right one. Think carefully before parting with such a vast sum of cash. Good luck.
 

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