Electric California ( on the way )

[Calimili]

So they drove 2 motorbikes 12,000 miles with a portable power station in tow! Why? Puzzled!

Unlike Greta sailing to NY and coming back with the whole crew in a 747...

 

[Calimili]

How can the prestige German marques be so far behind Tesla? None of them see to understand what the customer wants (or they do but are unable to produce it). Even the ID3 is starting to look like a missed opportunity.

Because they continue to sell IC cars and make money doing it. I love Elon Musk genius, but he's isn't making any money with Tesla yet.

 

[willwander]

Because they continue to sell IC cars and make money doing it. I love Elon Musk genius, but he's isn't making any money with Tesla yet.

Tesla made a profit for the last 4 quarters...although not much and they are still spending a lot.

 

[Calimili]

Tesla made a profit for the last 4 quarters...although not much and they are still spending a lot.

it works out at about slightly less than a 1000usd per car. What's the average px for a sold Tesla ? 50k, let's be very generous. That is a 2% margin, closing an eye also on how the second last profit came about just for the porpoise of a possible inclusion on the S&P500.
VW averages about 17-18%, peaking with porsche at 25%...
I'm all for Elon, but I was just trying to answer why the Germans aren't in a rush to change business model away from IC cars.

 

[Lightning]

Unlike Greta sailing to NY and coming back with the whole crew in a 747...

Or maybe not.

Transatlantic Voyages of Greta Thunberg - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

Or maybe not.

Transatlantic Voyages of Greta Thunberg - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes but.
I understand (anecdotally) that the people who’s yacht she sailed on to Lisbon flew out to Hampton especially to make the voyage, so whilst Greta didn’t fly, she moved her carbon footprint to others. Smoke and mirrors?

 

[Lightning]

Yes but.
I understand (anecdotally) that the people who’s yacht she sailed on to Lisbon flew out to Hampton especially to make the voyage, so whilst Greta didn’t fly, she moved her carbon footprint to others. Smoke and mirrors?

Or maybe not.

Greta Thunberg docks in Lisbon after Atlantic crossing

Climate activist Greta Thunberg arrived in Lisbon on Tuesday after making a 20-day crossing from New York aboard the catamaran La Vagabonde, Reuters Television footage showed.

www.reuters.com

She sailed to Lisbon on La Vagabonde, a family who live full time on their boat and have done for many years.

Sailing La Vagabonde

We are an Australian couple with the dream of circumnavigating the globe by sail boat… initially having no clue of how to sail. We have now sailed over 90,00...

www.youtube.com

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

Or maybe not.

Greta Thunberg docks in Lisbon after Atlantic crossing

Climate activist Greta Thunberg arrived in Lisbon on Tuesday after making a 20-day crossing from New York aboard the catamaran La Vagabonde, Reuters Television footage showed.

www.reuters.com

She sailed to Lisbon on La Vagabonde, a family who live full time on their boat and have done for many years.

Sailing La Vagabonde

We are an Australian couple with the dream of circumnavigating the globe by sail boat… initially having no clue of how to sail. We have now sailed over 90,00...

www.youtube.com

OK that seems to dispel the dodgy anecdote I read.

 

[WelshGas]

Or maybe not.

Greta Thunberg docks in Lisbon after Atlantic crossing

Climate activist Greta Thunberg arrived in Lisbon on Tuesday after making a 20-day crossing from New York aboard the catamaran La Vagabonde, Reuters Television footage showed.

www.reuters.com

She sailed to Lisbon on La Vagabonde, a family who live full time on their boat and have done for many years.

Sailing La Vagabonde

We are an Australian couple with the dream of circumnavigating the globe by sail boat… initially having no clue of how to sail. We have now sailed over 90,00...

www.youtube.com

Or maybe Yes.

Mode of transport: Yacht
Carbon impact: It’s complicated

Thunberg’s original journey across the Atlantic was aboard a “zero-carbon” racing yacht, with her passage paid for by its owners. Conditions across the two-week journey were basic but bearable, with no toilet or electric light onboard.

But while her own trip may not have had any significant climate impact, some of the crew members who traveled with her returned to Europe on flights. Others were also flown out for the yacht’s transatlantic voyage. While these flights were offset, it would arguably have been less impactful for Thunberg to offset her one flight, rather than necessitating half a dozen people to do the same.

Greta Thunberg needs to cross the Atlantic again. Here are her options

Traveling by some kinds of boats may be three to four times more harmful than getting on a plane.

qz.com

 

[Calimili]

OK that seems to dispel the dodgy anecdote I read.

Or not.
Crew of Five Are Flying To New York To Bring Greta’s Boat Back!

 

[Calimili]

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor...flying-to-new-york-to-bring-gretas-boat-back/

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor...flying-to-new-york-to-bring-gretas-boat-back/

Ah ha

 

[Lightning]

Or not.
Crew of Five Are Flying To New York To Bring Greta’s Boat Back!

This was a different trip, from Plymouth to America, and two crew flew out, and the emissions were offset.

Sailing team to fly 2 crew to US to bring Thunberg boat back

Sailing team taking climate activist Greta Thunberg to US aboard a high-tech racing yacht will fly two crew across the Atlantic to bring the boat back, but insists their emissions will be compensated for

abcnews.go.com

 

[Calimili]

This was a different trip, from Plymouth to America, and two crew flew out, and the emissions were offset.

Sailing team to fly 2 crew to US to bring Thunberg boat back

Sailing team taking climate activist Greta Thunberg to US aboard a high-tech racing yacht will fly two crew across the Atlantic to bring the boat back, but insists their emissions will be compensated for

abcnews.go.com

Cova said the team recognizes it's "an imperfect solution" but believes offsetting the emissions by funding carbon-reducing projects elsewhere "is better than doing nothing."
Two flight across the ocean cause a per person CO2 emission equal to my annual CO2 emissions of the Cali with 7000mi mileage
If it’s so easy to offset such a large CO2 amount, where is the problem?
I’d be a happy to hear what this project was, so maybe I could follow too?

 

[Hotel California]

As this thread been running off-topic for a while now , i will try to put it back on track...

Modular eBussy is the adorable German e-van and camper of our dreams

No offense to Volkswagen's ID. Buzz, a successful design in its own right, but when we close our eyes and imagine an all-electric Volkswagen Type 2 for the 21st century, it's the new eBussy that we see. That was true before we knew it existed, and it's definitely true now that we've seen the actual…

newatlas.com

XBUS

The XBUS is the most innovative and modular light vehicle in the world. It generates a daily range of up to 200 km via its integrated solar modules and recuperating drives.

electricbrands.de

 

[Lightning]

Cova said the team recognizes it's "an imperfect solution" but believes offsetting the emissions by funding carbon-reducing projects elsewhere "is better than doing nothing."
Two flight across the ocean cause a per person CO2 emission equal to my annual CO2 emissions of the Cali with 7000mi mileage
If it’s so easy to offset such a large CO2 amount, where is the problem?
I’d be a happy to hear what this project was, so maybe I could follow too?

Ok

 

[ewkaj]

I don’t understand why VW is not trying to go Hybrid first. Especially for those of us driving in mountains or hilly regions, that would be a game changer without limitation of trying to find a charging station. For me right now electric is out of consideration, too much hassle and planning to just get from one place to another.

 

[willwander]

I don’t understand why VW is not trying to go Hybrid first. Especially for those of us driving in mountains or hilly regions, that would be a game changer without limitation of trying to find a charging station. For me right now electric is out of consideration, too much hassle and planning to just get from one place to another.

Because at the moment hybrids are just vanity projects, twice the cost and complexity for little gain.

They need to swap the focus of having an engine that does most of the work with a little bit of round town on the battery to getting the battery to do the bulk of driving with a little ICE for emergencies, but again it starts getting expensive.

 

[WelshGas]

Well Tesla's " Battery Day " was interesting. NOT.

 

[WelshGas]

Tesla's integrating the battery into the structure of the vehicle will make a battery change ? impossible, so a real throw away item making 2nd hand prices ridiculously low.

 

[Lightning]

Airbus have just launched a serious hydrogen powered aircraft development programme. This is likely to be a sign of things to come, as the hydrogen infrastructure will be developed to support it.

 

[willwander]

Well Tesla's " Battery Day " was interesting. NOT.

Flat battery

 

[Ch1pbutty]

This was a different trip, from Plymouth to America, and two crew flew out, and the emissions were offset.

Sailing team to fly 2 crew to US to bring Thunberg boat back

Sailing team taking climate activist Greta Thunberg to US aboard a high-tech racing yacht will fly two crew across the Atlantic to bring the boat back, but insists their emissions will be compensated for

abcnews.go.com

Carbon Offset = Pay to Pollute

 

[Lightning]

Carbon Offset = Pay to Pollute

Ok

 

[willwander]

Tesla's integrating the battery into the structure of the vehicle will make a battery change ? impossible, so a real throw away item making 2nd hand prices ridiculously low.

Agree, they talked about the average lifespan of a vehicle being 15 years.
No mention of the million mile battery.