I don't 'Get' the Beach. Tell me what I'm missing

[WelshGas]

Sorry just a quick off topic question which emoticon would you use?

 

[Yorkdubshire]

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Would probably need to be that big too!

 

[jamesclarke]

Beach- works for me and my family as we are 6. Simply we need the seats and all the camping bits- beds, heater, blinds etc are all a wonderful bonus. We use it every day and love it.

 

[Sp0_0k]

Can you cook in Beach? Of course.
Can you remove kitchen from Ocean? No.

 

[WelshGas]

Can you cook in Beach? Of course.
Can you remove kitchen from Ocean? No.

Now now!
The Beach does not come with a cooker, so you cannot cook in a Beach without buying a cooker .
You don't have to buy a cooker for a SE/Ocean.

 

[estresao]

To my one of the best feature is the 150cmx200cm bed downstair. Mine one is the storage box one. Flat and confortable wall to wall bed.

 

[MattBW]

It's true I had to fork out a whole£25 for my double burner ;-)


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[estresao]

Now now!
The Beach does not come with a cooker, so you cannot cook in a Beach without buying a cooker .
You don't have to buy a cooker for a SE/Ocean.

I've one for 15£

 

[WelshGas]

But you had to buy one, didn't you. It didn't come with one.

 

[estresao]

Yes I had to buy one using the more than 10000£ I've saved

 

[MattBW]

Lol you beat me to it ;-)


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[T6 CFO]

Not the Beach v SE/Ocean/Camper discussion again


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[WelshGas]

Yeah. The Beach crew just can't leave it alone. But never mind. I'll still wave to them!

 

[larrylamb]

Minibus or campervan, simples.

 

[Sp0_0k]

And when ocean owners want to cook outside it all gets messed up

 

[T6 CFO]

So we are LOL


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[Rhyddin]

Minibus or campervan, simples.

Versatility versus single purpose would be more accurate, neither of which being to the detriment of the other.

The Caravelle is a minibus; it does not have beds, a pop up roof or black out blinds as standard. However, the Beach does and can still do everything the Caravelle can do - and more. The Ocean/SE cannot, which is not a bad thing, by the way, if you don't need those benefits.

Does a fixed cooker and fridge define a 'campervan', as opposed to the two beds, the roof, blinds, etc. that both the Beach and the Ocean/SE share? I wouldn't think so but, for the sole purpose of no more than 4 people going away, where everything is in situ within the van and they do not need to set anything up or get out of the van, other than to go to the toilet and fill up fresh water, the Ocean/SE does undoubtedly have the edge. It is a specialised tool and, if that is what you need it for, it's the best.

If you want it to be anything else in addition, then the Beach is a better fit. I love the Ocean - it's cool and fun. However, I don't want to take a little kitchen sink to work with me every day but I do fancy being able to take my kid's friends with us when we got out at the weekend so the Beach won out for me. It's not even the money, as I could have bought a base model Ocean for less than my Beach is costing, but it still wouldn't have been fit for MY purpose right now. Make no mistake, when I retire and it's just the wife and I, I'll be shopping for an Ocean, I'm sure.

One thing that's undeniable is that they're both awesome vehicles!

 

[larrylamb]

Versatility versus single purpose would be more accurate, neither of which being to the detriment of the other.

The Caravelle is a minibus; it does not have beds, a pop up roof or black out blinds as standard. However, the Beach does and can still do everything the Caravelle can do - and more. The Ocean/SE cannot, which is not a bad thing, by the way, if you don't need those benefits.

Does a fixed cooker and fridge define a 'campervan', as opposed to the two beds, the roof, blinds, etc. that both the Beach and the Ocean/SE share? I wouldn't think so but, for the sole purpose of no more than 4 people going away, where everything is in situ within the van and they do not need to set anything up or get out of the van, other than to go to the toilet and fill up fresh water, the Ocean/SE does undoubtedly have the edge. It is a specialised tool and, if that is what you need it for, it's the best.

If you want it to be anything else in addition, then the Beach is a better fit. I love the Ocean - it's cool and fun. However, I don't want to take a little kitchen sink to work with me every day but I do fancy being able to take my kid's friends with us when we got out at the weekend so the Beach won out for me. It's not even the money, as I could have bought a base model Ocean for less than my Beach is costing, but it still wouldn't have been fit for MY purpose right now. Make no mistake, when I retire and it's just the wife and I, I'll be shopping for an Ocean, I'm sure.

One thing that's undeniable is that they're both awesome vehicles!

Thats basically what I said, one is for carrying more people, the other is a camper van. I think the definition of a camper van/motor caravan/motorhome for vehicle classification with the DVLA is
"
Minimum Features

It is a legal requirement that all UK registered vehicles are classified correctly on the V5C log book. All campervans, motor caravans and motorhomes fall into the DVLA category of "Motor Caravan". If you have converted a van into a motor caravan then you must return the V5C to DVLA for amendment.

In order for a converted vehicle to qualify as a motor caravan it must have certain minimum features, as follows:

1. a door that provides access to the living accommodation;
2. a bed, which has a minimum length of 1800mm or 6 feet. This can be converted from seats

used for other purposes during the day but must be permanently fixed within the body of

the vehicle;
3. a water storage tank or container on, or in, the vehicle;
4. a seating and dining area, permanently attached to the vehicle. The table may be

detachable but must have some permanent means of attachment to the vehicle. It is not

good enough to have a loose table;
5. a permanently fixed means of storage, a cupboard, locker or wardrobe;
6. a permanently fixed cooking facility within the vehicle, powered by gas or electricity; and 7. at least one window on the side of the accommodation.

If the vehicle has all of these features present, permanently fixed and installed properly, then it is a legal requirement to have it reclassified as a motor caravan on the V5C. "
Whichever Cali fits your requirements that's fine, it's only a bit of banter. This thread always brings out the same arguments for and against.

 

[calicasas]

Price could be a major factor at nearly £8000 difference. For us it was a larger bed.not wanting or feeling the need to cook inside.flexibility of space inside.main use as a day van or for short 1 or 2 night trips away.maybe when we have more time on our hands a full fat Cali as some call them might be the best option.in the mean time happy with the half way option from a tent to a full camper.

We have the SE 'Full Fat' version, but I have to say that I love both vans and if I ever had the money I would even buy both, using each vehicle according to needs. Wouldn't say no to either of them. I had to choose so Plummed for the SE, but both vans are great

 

[Rhyddin]

Thats basically what I said, one is for carrying more people, the other is a camper van. I think the definition of a camper van/motor caravan/motorhome for vehicle classification with the DVLA is
"
Minimum Features

It is a legal requirement that all UK registered vehicles are classified correctly on the V5C log book. All campervans, motor caravans and motorhomes fall into the DVLA category of "Motor Caravan". If you have converted a van into a motor caravan then you must return the V5C to DVLA for amendment.

In order for a converted vehicle to qualify as a motor caravan it must have certain minimum features, as follows:

1. a door that provides access to the living accommodation;
2. a bed, which has a minimum length of 1800mm or 6 feet. This can be converted from seats

used for other purposes during the day but must be permanently fixed within the body of

the vehicle;
3. a water storage tank or container on, or in, the vehicle;
4. a seating and dining area, permanently attached to the vehicle. The table may be

detachable but must have some permanent means of attachment to the vehicle. It is not

good enough to have a loose table;
5. a permanently fixed means of storage, a cupboard, locker or wardrobe;
6. a permanently fixed cooking facility within the vehicle, powered by gas or electricity; and 7. at least one window on the side of the accommodation.

If the vehicle has all of these features present, permanently fixed and installed properly, then it is a legal requirement to have it reclassified as a motor caravan on the V5C. "
Whichever Cali fits your requirements that's fine, it's only a bit of banter. This thread always brings out the same arguments for and against.

Interesting to see the formal classification criteria.

I agree, this topic is only meant to be banter but, let's be honest, you knew that your 'minibus' comment would get a bite. It COULD have sounded awfully like it was intended to put the Beach owners down a peg by implying that their pride and joy is not a real camper van. I know you probably didn't mean that, though.

Perhaps the opening paragraph of your response should have read:

'Thats basically what I said, one is a dedicated camper van, the other is a slightly less dedicated camper van, but with the ability to carry more people.'?

Can't wait for my Beach camper van to get built!
(Cue obligatory and obviously entirely diffusing emoji)

 

[kave]

Yeah. The Beach crew just can't leave it alone. But never mind. I'll still wave to them!

Hmm, I thought this was a Beach forum department?
If I could afford it I would have one of each, to me it was between a manual 150HP Ocean or a 204HP 4motion DSG Beach with lots of bells and whistles among them LED headlights etc.
Most of the time I won't be camping and then I guess the Beach is the better choice.
But, we will see, maybe in three years we will upgrade to a Ocean.

 

[sidepod]

Does the above classification mean then that the Beach is a van and therefore limited to 60mph?

 

[WelshGas]

Does the above classification mean then that the Beach is a van and therefore limited to 60mph?

No, it is classed as M1, and so is not bound by the Commercial N1 speed limits.

 

[2haw]

Hmm, I thought this was a Beach forum department?
If I could afford it I would have one of each, to me it was between a manual 150HP Ocean or a 204HP 4motion DSG Beach with lots of bells and whistles among them LED headlights etc.
Most of the time I won't be camping and then I guess the Beach is the better choice.
But, we will see, maybe in three years we will upgrade to a Ocean.

Upgrade? Who's side are you on?!!

 

[kave]

Sorry, I meant sidegrade