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kkp0897

kkp0897

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Interesting reading your post thank you.
I guess like most things in life its about expectations & previous experiences.
Im glad you summarize by saying overall you really like the camping area etc which serves your purpose as that is the most important part.
At the end of the day you always have the option of selling it but if you hadnt bought it you would still be left wondering about it!
I for one have no previous experience of driving high end vehicles, neither am I at all gadgetry minded, so for me the Coast fitted perfectly (I hope!) - if I find too many disappointments I too have the option of selling it but at least I can cross it off my long held desire to own a VW pop top!
For me I think the issue Im battling with is the time to enjoy it but have been working hard to try to clear the decks of responsibility for when it finally arrives.
Well said and kudos to your humble yet positive post
 
Skooty Alan

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The rear isn’t normally heated if you have the double glazing (wasn’t on older models). So don’t think the t6.1 is unless you picked it as an option and had single glazed.
Very helpful thanks. I was just looking at the manual. I will check if there is a heating element tomorrow!
 
kkp0897

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used our newly delivered T6.1 over the weekend and to be honest love it :) Over the years I have owned and experienced many cars from a basic Ford Escort (first drive in the 70s) through to hardcore Porsche GT4 with quite a bit of luxury and gadgetry in many others. Also owned Motorhomes. So first thoughts on the California is that's its a "luxury van' with some electronic driving aids and yes its expensive but that's driven by current market demand. But it is a Camper van and I can open the door sit back enjoy the view in a way that I can't in my Porsche. I for one understaood the limitations and differences between a Luxury high end car and a luxury camper van. the cali has to make compromises and I think it makes those compromises well, in fact I think its actually better than I expected. it has to compromise between Car Vs Van and Camper vs Motorhome again think it does this well. I was down for a Marco Polo but supply issues drove me to the Cali, the MP offers more of a luxury car feel both in the interior finish and the gadgetry, rather seats, electric bed its finish is probably better than the Cali and it would have cost me less money. that said I think I would have been scared of using it as a camper because its too plush and its also around 300mm longer. As an aside I quite like to Analogue handbrake also have that on my Porsche Spyder :). Trying to compare a Camper Van with a Luxury car is probably not the right thing to do. My biggest concern at the moment is use the Cali as a daily Drive or supplement it with a Smart Electric car. Sorry out is a bit disjointed and rambling but

pressed post too quickly but..... it is Monday morning... final comment Moving from a Luxury car to a Camper van is a bit like moving from the City to the Country... there are things you will like and things you won't... if you don't like the sound of cows and sheep and darkness and funny smells. don't move to the country. If you want all the luxury, smoothness and gadgetry of a luxury car don't buy a camper van or buy a house in the city and country and luxury car and camper :)
well raised points and thanks, I also considered the MP and suspect it has many bells and whistles. The predicament I came around is the knowledge share compared to Calis is disproportionate, plus ive mostly owned VAGs and it is where i can get help and advice with quite simply instead of being in the unknown with an MP.
 
kkp0897

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Interesting post - agree that all those questions could be answered pre-purchase; but it's an interesting comparison even if a rather unfair one.

Handbrake - I was surprised at that, but the geezer in the dealership said after all it's still a van and a heavy one at that.. make of that what you will! :)

Keyless entry - Not sure I'd want that in a vehicle that you sleep in tbh, although technically not an issue as you should always manually lock from the inside and never with the key anyhow - I guess the geezer in the dealer would give you the same answer as above!

Nav pro - Jurys out for me on this - I like the size and some of the features, hate the slow user profile loading (might start a post on this alone), it's general glitchyness and tbh lack of physical knobs - pobs wouldn't spec from new in hindsight.

Cruise control - Same process as my old golf, simply use set button to stop on desired speed if 5mph increments aren't appropriate. Takes a bit of getting used to, but fine once you do.

Gear box - Mine's a MY20 and has the tap down sport mode, initially used it to overtake and was expecting some sort of massive boost, hardly noticed it and made little difference - I think in general it just increases the revs and burns more juice - so indifferent about it's benefits in a van tbh. As for having ECO.. again I think it's about expectations; I'm averaging 36 point something which for a heavy van with a 199 bhp motor and coupled with it's intended use, I'm happy with.

Dash/cup holders - As others have said, digital stuff aside, it seems like a step down from the T6 Cali comfort dash with storage space and glove box all crap tbh - there are cupholders left and right but they're designed for the ashtray (in this day and age - really?) so bottles rattle around in them. Also some of the youtube reviews I watched pre-purchase showed wireless charging - not in the UK or at least in my variant!

All of the above sounds like a lot of criticism, when in fact in the grand scheme of owning one of these beauties, they're really minor things - I love my Cali, I actually live in the mountains and for the outdoors, but nothing beats the freedom of loading up and heading somewhere new where you're fully independent and can sleep, eat and chill in relative self contained luxury. Just need to get out of lock down now so we can all do more of it!

Hope helps and hope you enjoy!
For a chap who’s from Wales, you use the word geezer a lot and would be mistaken to have come from the ‘east end‘ :)

keyless still allows for the vehicle to be locked from the inside so not an issue

im not sure what I’m missing in terms of the gearbox but whether I need to or not Im taking it easy for the first 1K miles but from what I’ve noticed so far, it is a peach of a gearbox with swift nimble lightweight changes which has impressed me.

But you’ve hit the nail on the head, these are minors also in my view and nice to haves, otherwise I wouldnt have purchased one.


cheers
 
kkp0897

kkp0897

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Its good to get stuff off your chest!!

I think the cruise control is 5mph on +/-, but 1 mph either way if you press RES or SET. I hope that helps.

I agree about keyless ignition. But its a minor point

And I worry about the tailgate closing, partly due to dirt but also possibility of scratching around the handle if the back has got particularly dirty

I'm currently struggling to find the rear windscreen heater switch! Its not on the dial the manual states!! I wonder if heated windscreen switches on both?

When I bought the van I never expected the joy of discovery from hunting through multiple manuals that seem to need an Enigma machine to decipher!!

Mind you on the plus side its a great vehicle and I have been surprised how many of my friends are admitting to harbouring a secret longing - i tell them, lifes too short - just scratch!!
Thank you and yes, you’re right It is good to discuss it. I never meant to make some readers disgruntled but yes we do love it and certain things we need to get used to. The benefits do outstrip the niggles plus I’ll get it looking just the way I want to once I’ve modded it.

i hadnt even thought about the rear windscreen switch but if I find anything I’ll be sure to let you know.
 
Skooty Alan

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Thank you and yes, you’re right It is good to discuss it. I never meant to make some readers disgruntled but yes we do love it and certain things we need to get used to. The benefits do outstrip the niggles plus I’ll get it looking just the way I want to once I’ve modded it.

i hadnt even thought about the rear windscreen switch but if I find anything I’ll be sure to let you know.
@4x4 joker gave me a very good explanation a couple of posts above this post. Basically, there isn't one - rear window heater. The rear window is double glazed. I haven't checked but I'm sure 4x4joker is correct!
 
Steve_D

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For a chap who’s from Wales, you use the word geezer a lot and would be mistaken to have come from the ‘east end‘ :)

keyless still allows for the vehicle to be locked from the inside so not an issue

im not sure what I’m missing in terms of the gearbox but whether I need to or not Im taking it easy for the first 1K miles but from what I’ve noticed so far, it is a peach of a gearbox with swift nimble lightweight changes which has impressed me.

But you’ve hit the nail on the head, these are minors also in my view and nice to haves, otherwise I wouldnt have purchased one.


cheers
Haaa.. yes, blaming the guy in the dealership who really thought he was a geezer for that! Yes you're right about the gearbox, 2000 plus miles on mine now and no complaints at all with the drive.. Roll on 2021 and out of lockdown and let the adventures begin again!
 
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Spent an exciting day setting up the SW packages and primary user tuff yesterday cracked with the help of the CS team in Germany who undertook a vehicle reset and then complete update of users. Think we now have everything operational. 300 plus miles and loving it. DCC settings still in testing phase
 
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Hi all

Attached is a picture of my recently acquired Ocean. Not entirely sure if it is a MY20 or 21 hence the entitled question mark. I’m sure it is in the paperwork but not really looked at it in depth.

I wanted to provide my initials thoughts and forgive me if any of the below has already been mentioned.

I’m Jumping out of a 2016 Audi RS3 8V as comparable tech and features based on the fact the 8V platform introduced itself late 2012 / 2013 so a relatively ageing platform. Some would say a later model was released in 2017 but it was simply a facelift which was minor ascetics and a new engine. I emphasise this because Audi did not have a massive fanfare, new marketing nor did they make it a new version when the facelift came to market. VW on the other hand did with the T 6.1 (marketing campaign, new interior, dash..etc etc...) therefore I was perhaps perplexed and disappointed to lose some useful features from an ageing 8V platform.

I’m sort of expecting some Cali’ purist to challenge me but that’s fine plus I’ve only had it a week so learning lots.

Considering the price tag, circa 65 - 70K GBP is it more of a van than it is Motorhome/Camper? They say the same about i’Phones‘, is it more of a phone than a mini computer, personal assistant? With the latter, I would say it is definitely more of a mini computer than it is a phone considering how many hours you can spend on it without make a call (I certainly can!). So, I come back to my original question given the price tag, have VW given it enough consideration, and I must stress this is with the cabin error, that differs it from a commercial van to a Cali? I’ll press on, with price tag in mind....

— Surprised there’s no electronic handbrake. I’m really missing this from my 8V which also provides the additional brake hold (not hill hold) when at traffics light or when you come to a stand still. For a 2019/2020 released vehicle this is archaic in my view to have a lever hand brake.

— with reference to the above point, I’m also missing keyless entry / starting. Again, I would’ve happily have paid for this potential optional extra but for it not to even feature is disappointing.

— i went for the discovery pro media but I haven’t found how to mute the volume at the touch of a steering button. Perhaps I haven’t looked hard enough but perhaps it isn’t possible besides reaching for the large screen to mute the volume which turned the entire screen off. This is possible on the 8V by swift and quick access but either steering wheel or volume control.

— Is there a dark / night mode for the large screen so as to effectively turn it off but still keep the infotainment on? I don’t always need it on. Granted I can hide the screen by retracting it on my 8V which effectively turns it off and leaves the infotainment on but I haven’t been able to find a dark mode, yet In the Cali.

— Cruise only goes up in in/decrements of 5 MPH - again may be configuration but this’ll get really annoying if it isn’t configurable and almost a safety concern.

— I accept that the later revision has made the sport mode gearbox obsolete but it’s disappointing that various driving profiles do not exist (eco, normal, sport) because these could still exist without the sport mode gearbox option, particularly eco to normal driving conditions.

— while I don’t have electronic tail gate closure in my 8V, the Cali is missing this vastly. One because the tailgate is an unwieldy beast to close which isn‘t helped by the fact the pull down strap is inappropriately positionEd in the middle of the gate thus negating optimum leverage and at best I have only managed to get it closed to about 3/4’s and the last is by a push from the outside tailgate which is far from ideal in these dirty winter months.

- only 1 central cup holder? the 8V has two even with less real estate up Front!

As I have said, I’m still learning and there’s possibly some resolutions to the above out of not researching them yet but some of those above I am going to need to live with. Pay a premium price should really give a premium product but hey ho.

All the above withstanding, we do really like it, particularly the sleeping area/cabinets etc and have purchased it to serve us a purpose (weekend getaways and living the camper experience)

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New or old VW logo on steering wheel?
 
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Anyone got to the truth on ARBs yet? Seems to be split opinion on whether the 6.1 has updated ARB as standard or not, although there appears to be no UK option to upgrade at factory. I didn’t have any issues with the standard set on my T6 but it would be interetsting to know what will be fitted to the new one.
 
Californication69

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Anyone got to the truth on ARBs yet? Seems to be split opinion on whether the 6.1 has updated ARB as standard or not, although there appears to be no UK option to upgrade at factory. I didn’t have any issues with the standard set on my T6 but it would be interetsting to know what will be fitted to the new one.
I’ve just had new H&R ARB (30mm diameter) installed at CRS Performance in Cannock.
2 weeks ago.
I have 6.1 MY20 - DSG with sport mode.
Steve measured the diameter of ARB taken off.
24mm Front
25mm rear.
Woefully inadequate for a 3 ton Campervan.
I was very disappointed in the original equipment Shock Absorbers as well.
Steve recomended Koni frequency self adjusting shocks. £1500 all fitted included updated HD H&R front springs.
The Handling and ride quality is TOTALLY transformed. (sorry needed Caps, the ride is that good now) See my separate thread on https://vwcaliforniaclub.com/threads/h-r-arb-and-koni-dual-shocks-ocean-2020-crsperformance.38434/
 
Californication69

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Makes me wonder if they are standard now in UK...
@66tim99
The 6.1 original ARB are 24mm front & 25mm rear
 
Californication69

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.... I should’ve added. I’m not one who’s enamoured by stock vehicles so I’ll be :

— putting 19” winter alloys on it and switching to 20” wheels for the summer (Still choosing which wheels)
— lowering it on Coilovers supplied by the Trustworthy Simon @StillStati
— have already got the entire front end PPFd immediately after taking deliver, done by ArmourFactory
— deep tint the windows from b pillar back and legally tint front to low as possible.
@kkp0897
Might I suggest you have a chat with Steve at CRS Performace.
First item is sort out the terrible ARB and Shock absorbers.
see my thread here
 
soulstyledevon

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There’s a few of us here, that would like to see less tech...
I like my vans a simple as possible. Less is more, less is reliable. Trust me, being a thousand miles from home, you want something that gets you there and back comfortably with as little trouble as possible:)

P.S worth having a chat with CRS, they’ve had some great feedback.
Enjoy the van
 

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