No-deal Brxeit warning for UK drivers

[WelshGas]

On the Green Cared - I remember it being only valid for 30 days. I needed cover for six months and it was a Dickens of a fight to get them to issue follow on green cards. Their processes did not provide fo

Note that a green card is issued against a specific vehicle so if your policy covers multiple vehicles make sure the green card covers the one you are going abroad with. I have two vehicles covered by one number plate (I can move the plates from one to the other) but I need two green cards one for each vehicle (in the policy I only pay the premium for the most expensive of the two).

My Swiss insurers issue a multi year green card as standard with the insurance.

Now as holder of a Swiss driving license I wonder if I will need some sort of "IDP" to visit UK?

Probably. But who knows.

 

[Barbara]

On the Green Cared - I remember it being only valid for 30 days. I needed cover for six months and it was a Dickens of a fight to get them to issue follow on green cards. Their processes did not provide fo

Note that a green card is issued against a specific vehicle so if your policy covers multiple vehicles make sure the green card covers the one you are going abroad with. I have two vehicles covered by one number plate (I can move the plates from one to the other) but I need two green cards one for each vehicle (in the policy I only pay the premium for the most expensive of the two).

My Swiss insurers issue a multi year green card as standard with the insurance.

Now as holder of a Swiss driving license I wonder if I will need some sort of "IDP" to visit UK?

My green card is valid until my insurance is due for renewal, only restriction is 180 days total.

 

[shudycamps]

Haven’t Green Cards been around since the earth cooled? You get one automatically with most insurance premiums? You just need to call and get a copy?

Did I make that up or is it fact?

In the "olden" days, one always needed a green card; no biggie wow wow, and I would surmise UK insurance companies are on standby for this. I would find it very difficult to believe that there won't be a time frame declared to get both sides of the Channel sorted.

 

[Pete M]

The point of the green card system isn't to enable you the motorist to know if you're insured, it's to be able to demonstrate (using an internationally standardised document) to a police officer in the country that you visit that you are insured.

Whether the (eg) French police decide to waive the requirement for a green card is unknowable until they say so, or until there's some agreement on it.

Of course if there is a B-word deal with a transition period, no green cards needed.

Totally agree, having it printed on the back of a piece of A4 isn't a Green Card. I've traveled to 59 countries overland and can assure you outside of the EU (which we will be if this farce continues) you need local insurance or if they are part of the scheme a Green Card CARD.

 

[Pete M]

My green card is valid until my insurance is due for renewal, only restriction is 180 days total.

That's not a Green Card.

 

[Velma's Dad]

That's not a Green Card.

It might be, we don't know. The 'green card' hasn't always been printed on cardboard although that may still sometimes be the case. When I owned cars in Germany back in the 1980s (before the EU insurance harmonisation directive) the 'green card' which was always issued as part of a German insurance policy was actually a sheet of paper - okay it was green-tinted, but it wasn't a card.

I'm not disputing Pete M's experience in overlanding outside Europe and insistence on a 'card', I'm sure that happens. But I'm sure Pete will also agree that customs and police in various countries around the world have tendencies to request, fairly randomly, all kinds of documents that you may or may not have with you or that may not even exist. In DRC I was once demanded to produce copies in French of every one of the documents I was carrying, most of which had nothing to do with travel, they were work-related. (What they really wanted of course was 'un cadeau'.)

 

[Ksar-el-kebir]

Haven’t Green Cards been around since the earth cooled? You get one automatically with most insurance premiums? You just need to call and get a copy?

Did I make that up or is it fact?

Considering that I have a green card including fully comp for Morocco with Safeguard, I can't see why anything would change if England leaves the EU.

 

[Ksar-el-kebir]

I meant "Not sure British citizens will be able to be in the EU to be able to drive there anyway without a visa". ...and presumably an International Driving Permit will be needed too.

I am old enough to remember pre EU days and didn't need visas or international driving permit then for western Europe.

 

[Velma's Dad]

I am old enough to remember pre EU days and didn't need visas or international driving permit then for western Europe.

Wow. Quite old then?

 

[Pete M]

It might be, we don't know. The 'green card' hasn't always been printed on cardboard although that may still sometimes be the case. When I owned cars in Germany back in the 1980s (before the EU insurance harmonisation directive) the 'green card' which was always issued as part of a German insurance policy was actually a sheet of paper - okay it was green-tinted, but it wasn't a card.

I'm not disputing Pete M's experience in overlanding outside Europe and insistence on a 'card', I'm sure that happens. But I'm sure Pete will also agree that customs and police in various countries around the world have tendencies to request, fairly randomly, all kinds of documents that you may or may not have with you or that may not even exist. In DRC I was once demanded to produce copies in French of every one of the documents I was carrying, most of which had nothing to do with travel, they were work-related. (What they really wanted of course was 'un cadeau'.)

Apologies if my reply sounded rude, that was not meant to be the case.
I'm reasonable sure the Green Card has always been green and yes paper sometimes.
Lots of people mistake the various European language translations printed on the reverse of their UK insurance certificate to be a Green Card but it is no more than as you quite rightly point out part of the EU insurance harmonisation directive (sic).
I totally agree with respect to backhanders being asked for but guessing that will not be the case inside the EU

 

[Velma's Dad]

Apologies if my reply sounded rude, that was not meant to be the case.
I'm reasonable sure the Green Card has always been green and yes paper sometimes.
Lots of people mistake the various European language translations printed on the reverse of their UK insurance certificate to be a Green Card but it is no more than as you quite rightly point out part of the EU insurance harmonisation directive (sic).
I totally agree with respect to backhanders being asked for but guessing that will not be the case inside the EU

We can but hope!

Out of interest Pete, what was your most memorable/challenging border to cross by road? (Sorry, a bit off topic I know).

 

[Pete M]

We can but hope!

Out of interest Pete, what was your most memorable/challenging border to cross by road? (Sorry, a bit off topic I know).

Iran-Pakistan springs to mind as the first thing that happened in Pakistan was we were invited to share the Chief Border Officers lunch before any formalities were done (loved Pakistan, probably my favorite country) as does Mexico-USA for the obvious reasons (not helped by them never having to deal with UK reg'd motos, computers say no. We got in in the end
Pakistan-India was weird as my wife had a moto accident on The Karakorum Highway and broke her arm so had flown/bus down to the border and we'd shipped her moto there, she crossed as did I with my moto and then I ran back across the line to ride hers into India, all the time saying to the guards on both sides "no problem I'm just going to get my wife's bike" lol

 

[Ksar-el-kebir]

Wow. Quite old then?

My mind says I'm still !8 but my body says the mind is much mistaken!

 

[Barbara]

That's not a Green Card.

Quote from my letter: "Please find enclosed your green card which is valid in the EU for up to 180 days and ends (date of my policy end) " It has the official number and is on the official green paper. .

 

[jts46]

My car insurance on vehicle in France is printed on green paper and HAS to be displayed on inside of windscreen. English car registered in France with French number plates.

 

[bvddobb]

The Dutch government has just proposed a bill to parliament (not agreed yet) with measures for a no-deal UK exit.

Among (a lof of) other things it says that, in case of no-deal, UK driving licenses will be accepted in NL for 15 years after date of issue, instead of the ‘normal’ 185 days for non EU-licenses.

 

[Loz]

So mine was issued in 1981, so instantly invalid and an international driving permit will be required?

 

[Velma's Dad]

The Dutch government has just proposed a bill to parliament (not agreed yet) with measures for a no-deal UK exit.

Among (a lof of) other things it says that, in case of no-deal, UK driving licenses will be accepted in NL for 15 years after date of issue, instead of the ‘normal’ 185 days for non EU-licenses.

Does the NL offer 'government for rent'? I think we'd be in the market for the services of a government/legislature that can make some actual decisions.

 

[bvddobb]

So mine was issued in 1981, so instantly invalid and an international driving permit will be required?

I would think the latest renewal date is leading here, not the date of first issue...

Having said that, it can never hurt to have an international driving permit. Whenever some official wants to take your license, for whatever reason (ever been to Uzbekistan?), you hand them the IDP and keep your original.

 

[bvddobb]

I think we'd be in the market for the services of a government/legislature that can make some actual decisions.

[OFF TOPIC]
Hmm, I can't shake the impression that it somehow started with the voters, and some really stupid referendum legislation, somewhere... 52/48% is no decision, but basically a draw and certainly no proportion to base any decision on, let alone such far-reaching decisions as the exit. I don't think any government can govern on that basis.

I'm glad our parliament killed our referendum laws last year.
[/OFF TOPIC]

 

[Loz]

I would think the latest renewal date is leading here, not the date of first issue...

Having said that, it can never hurt to have an international driving permit. Whenever some official wants to take your license, for whatever reason (ever been to Uzbekistan?), you hand them the IDP and keep your original.

Or perhaps it refers to new residents of NL who may have come from UK or now live in the Netherlands and how long their existing licence is valid for until they must get a Dutch one?

 

[Borris]

[OFF TOPIC]
Hmm, I can't shake the impression that it somehow started with the voters, and some really stupid referendum legislation, somewhere... 52/48% is no decision, but basically a draw and certainly no proportion to base any decision on, let alone such far-reaching decisions as the exit. I don't think any government can govern on that basis.

I'm glad our parliament killed our referendum laws last year.
[/OFF TOPIC]

Actually it started on the 1st January 1973 when Ted Heath, a politician took us into the Common Market. However best not go there!

 

[bvddobb]

Actually it started on the 1st January 1973 when Ted Heath, a politician took us into the Common Market. However best not go there!

Hmm, and Ted Heath was a dictator or tribun, right? Noone ever voted for him or his party, right? And parliament was disbanded and the opppsition were all jailed at the time, right? Somehow, I don’t seem to remember any of all that...

Indeed, best to not go there...


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[WelshGas]

[OFF TOPIC]
Hmm, I can't shake the impression that it somehow started with the voters, and some really stupid referendum legislation, somewhere... 52/48% is no decision, but basically a draw and certainly no proportion to base any decision on, let alone such far-reaching decisions as the exit. I don't think any government can govern on that basis.

I'm glad our parliament killed our referendum laws last year.
[/OFF TOPIC]

We had to accept the Welsh Assembly Referendum result.

 

[El Greco]

[OFF TOPIC]
Hmm, I can't shake the impression that it somehow started with the voters, and some really stupid referendum legislation, somewhere... 52/48% is no decision, but basically a draw and certainly no proportion to base any decision on, let alone such far-reaching decisions as the exit. I don't think any government can govern on that basis.

I'm glad our parliament killed our referendum laws last year.
[/OFF TOPIC]

It's called democracy and difficult by some people to accept decisions that do not go their way. But lets not go there.