Norway is shutting down

[willwander]

Back on topic..

Norway will temporarily shut all its airports from Monday in a move to curb the spread of coronavirus the country’s prime minister, Erna Solberg, said on Saturday.

 

[Maskweech]

Very much doubt it.

That doesn't surprise me.
Let's talk in 10 days.

 

[clarinetbcn]

I'm sorry Clarinetbcn, but what you are doing is just downright fear mongering. Some weird message from someone nobody knows, without any context whatsoever and that you want people to translate using a translate-app, which at best will give a very mediocre translation. What are you selling? Toilet paper?

People should stick to official communication from offical, knowledgeable institutions. No-one is served by these kind of panicky posts imho.

 

[WelshGas]

That doesn't surprise me.
Let's talk in 10 days.

You are definitely full of yourself. Obviously must have some experience of Public Health Medicine and Infectious Diseases to speak so authoritatively.

Yes, let’s do.

 

[Maskweech]

You are definitely full of yourself. Obviously must have some experience of Public Health Medicine and Infectious Diseases to speak so authoritatively.

Yes, let’s do.

Update: Travel from the British Isles to the US will be restricted for anyone other than a US citizen or legal resident as of Monday.
Here we go...

 

[Amarillo]

Denmark, Slovakia and Poland have closed their borders now too. Being in Finland I’m now cut off from the U.K. by road.

Contact the British consulate.

 

[Amarillo]

The roads in Europe are not closed and won't be closed. The state of emergency (which will also be implemented in the British Isles) simply requires people to stay home and not spread the virus-or be infected by others-by non-essential travel or gatherings. Deliveries will continue and commerce other than hospitality will continue. Most work that can be done online will be done online only.

The British Government plan to methodically ratchet up restrictions, supported by emergency legislation, (very possibly with cross-party support) until a steady rate of infection is achieved. The eventual form of those restrictions is difficult to gauge.

 

[Amarillo]

What I’m trying to say is that although tactics appear very different, they quite probably are not and I can’t see it helping to work against what our experts are trying to do.

Donald Trump's America and Kim Jong Un are the exceptions. One thinks it will all blow over, the other shoots* virus carriers.

*unverifiable and therefore probably fake news.

 

[Amarillo]

That doesn't surprise me.
Let's talk in 10 days.

Popcorn time.

 

[briwy]

Denmark, Slovakia and Poland have closed their borders now too. Being in Finland I’m now cut off from the U.K. by road.

How about ferry from Helsinki to Germany and then back that way? No problem getting back from France at the moment.

 

[WelshGas]

Update: Travel from the British Isles to the US will be restricted for anyone other than a US citizen or legal resident as of Monday.
Here we go...

Not sure what you are alluding to. The USA can stop whoever they wish.

 

[Amarillo]

Update: Travel from the British Isles to the US will be restricted for anyone other than a US citizen or legal resident as of Monday.
Here we go...

UK has about an eighth of the confirmed infection rate of Spain. It has light touch measures to restrict contact, ready to be ramped up. Because of a good sick pay safety net, people will generally stay away from work for seven days if they have a mild illness. The next stage will be to home quarantine the whole household if one in the household gets sick.

 

[clarinetbcn]

One important difference between SARS and Coronavirus is that Coronavirus is most highly contagious before symptoms show, so quarantine when symptoms show is useless in stopping the spread.

Coronavirus is most contagious before and during the first week of symptoms

As major efforts to contain the COVID-19 pandemic go into effect around the globe, researchers are figuring out just when patients are most contagious.

www.sciencenews.org

 

[Lightning]

How about ferry from Helsinki to Germany and then back that way? No problem getting back from France at the moment.

Thanks for this, I didn’t realise it was an option. At 500 Euros I’m not sure what to do now though...

 

[Lightning]

UK has about an eighth of the confirmed infection rate of Spain. It has light touch measures to restrict contact, ready to be ramped up. Because of a good sick pay safety net, people will generally stay away from work for seven days if they have a mild illness. The next stage will be to home quarantine the whole household if one in the household gets sick.

Loads of people are on Zero hours contracts with no safety net from either employers or the government, many will continue working sick or not.

 

[Amarillo]

Loads of people are on Zero hours contracts with no safety net from either employers or the government, many will continue working sick or not.

Agreed. But you don't need 100% compliance to make a difference.

 

[clarinetbcn]

One important difference between SARS and Coronavirus is that Coronavirus is most highly contagious before symptoms show, so quarantine when symptoms show is useless in stopping the spread.

Coronavirus is most contagious before and during the first week of symptoms

As major efforts to contain the COVID-19 pandemic go into effect around the globe, researchers are figuring out just when patients are most contagious.

www.sciencenews.org

Curios coincidence, the study on high infection rates before showing symptoms was done on Webasto employees, where a breakout occurred.

All nine patients are employees of Webasto, an auto supplier in Stockdorf. They caught the virus from a male coworker, who became known as Patient 1. He originally got the virus from a business colleague from Shanghai who came to Germany in January for a series of meetings (SN: 1/31/20). Both Patient 1 and his Shanghai colleague transmitted the virus before developing symptoms, the first documented cases of asymptomatic spread.

 

[Maskweech]

Not sure what you are alluding to. The USA can stop whoever they wish.

If the US administration didn't view the UK as a risky country of origin, it wouldn't have corrected Trump's original omission in leaving the UK out of the travel ban from Europe.
It merely underscores the fact that the UK is just as much a Covid-19 risk area as other countries in Europe.
It's just something some in your country care to deny until the inevitable becomes obvious.

 

[WelshGas]

If the US administration didn't view the UK as a risky country of origin, it wouldn't have corrected Trump's original omission in leaving the UK out of the travel ban from Europe.
It merely underscores the fact that the UK is just as much a Covid-19 risk area as other countries in Europe.
It's just something some in your country care to deny until the inevitable becomes obvious.

According to you.
No one I know has denied the risk of the Corvid 19 virus. But also it doesn’t help to panic. We will all be exposed to the agent, and 80% of those infected will have 0 to moderate symptoms that require no hospital treatment.
Its the elderly and those with co-morbidities that are most at risk. They should be protected but for the rest the sooner they get it the sooner they will recover before drastic economic problems set in that may seriously impact them.
The elderly may be somewhat protected from a failing economy if they have pensions, not so the rest.
Quarantining the whole population rather than certain sections just mean there will be a 2nd or 3rd wave of infections. Do you have a 2nd or 3rd wave of general quarantine as well? The number of businesses that could survive such a regimen could be vanishingly small but the economic effects on the younger generations catastrophic.

 

[Maskweech]

According to you.
No one I know has denied the risk of the Corvid 19 virus. But also it doesn’t help to panic. We will all be exposed to the agent, and 80% of those infected will have 0 to moderate symptoms that require no hospital treatment.
Its the elderly and those with co-morbidities that are most at risk. They should be protected but for the rest the sooner they get it the sooner they will recover before drastic economic problems set in that may seriously impact them.
The elderly may be somewhat protected from a failing economy if they have pensions, not so the rest.
Quarantining the whole population rather than certain sections just mean there will be a 2nd or 3rd wave of infections. Do you have a 2nd or 3rd wave of general quarantine as well? The number of businesses that could survive such a regimen could be vanishingly small but the economic effects on the younger generations catastrophic.

Scenario: Young mother comes home from work, not knowing she has been infected. She hugs and kisses her daughter, who later does the same with her frail old grandma. Grandma dies three weeks later.
Not restricting the movements of the general public puts everyone at risk of causing the death of an elderly person, perhaps someone we'd like to have around as long as we can.
If we see human life as sacred, and if we see it as a duty to protect the weak and the elderly, we will have to absorb the economic consequences.
Life is more than just about money, isn't it?

 

[T6 CFO]

Scenario: Young mother comes home from work, not knowing she has been infected. She hugs and kisses her daughter, who later does the same with her frail old grandma. Grandma dies three weeks later.
Not restricting the movements of the general public puts everyone at risk of causing the death of an elderly person, perhaps someone we'd like to have around as long as we can.
If we see human life as sacred, and if we see it as a duty to protect the weak and the elderly, we will have to absorb the economic consequences.
Life is more than just about money, isn't it?

I’m wondering where your from and what your reading. You don’t appear to have any idea of the UK plans and are just seeking to scare people.
We know what’s happening and the dangers. It’s not about money.


Mike

 

[Maskweech]

I’m wondering where your from and what your reading. You don’t appear to have any idea of the way the UK plans and are just seeking to scare people.
We know what’s happening.


Mike

Really...

 

[T6 CFO]

Really...

Yes really.


Mike

 

[WelshGas]

Scenario: Young mother comes home from work, not knowing she has been infected. She hugs and kisses her daughter, who later does the same with her frail old grandma. Grandma dies three weeks later.
Not restricting the movements of the general public puts everyone at risk of causing the death of an elderly person, perhaps someone we'd like to have around as long as we can.
If we see human life as sacred, and if we see it as a duty to protect the weak and the elderly, we will have to absorb the economic consequences.
Life is more than just about money, isn't it?

But if Grandma wasn’t at home the Mother and daughter would get the infection, recover and be immune. Then they could hug grandmother as much as they like .
Quarantining the whole population still leaves Grandmother at risk.
This is the big difference between the Mediterranean countries and the U.K. Multigenerational homes are significantly less common in the U.K. So it is much easier for the older generation to isolate themselves while the younger generation go about their daily lives. Closing schools however means the elderly are roped into childcare duties while the parents are working thus exposing the elderly to infection.
Its a fine line and we will not know which is effective for many weeks or months .

 

[GrannyJen]

This is all getting very heated.

Without getting a temperature myself and therefore having to self-isolate I think the difference with the UK is the spread of infection. There are no identifiable hotspots which justify quarantine huge tracts of the country. The relatively low level of infection is very evenly spread and therefore difficult, so far, to justify draconian measures.

I saw apocalypse in 1967, not the human population but the domestic animal population, when 2/3rds of the county had restricted movement for over 9 months due to foot and mouth. We survived. I saw my school closed in 1957 (YIPPEEEE) wit Asian Flu and survived Hong Kong in 1963?

This is serious stuff. This is a virus for which the human race has no immunity. However we will get immunity, it will just pass off into history, sadly a lot of people may not live as long as they hoped for, me being over 70 predicted to be one of those, but hey-ho, life will move on.