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Borris

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I think @Auberg-ine has done that on a number of occasions.
Comparing photos of an empty Beach, mislabelled as a campervan, to a properly equipped Ocean correctly labelled as a campervan, proves only one thing. You have a MPV that you can take camping when it's loaded up and I have a campervan.
You are correct in saying that my current Beach is an MPV (Multi Purpose Vehicle) and your SE is a Campervan. That is how they are classified by the DVLA. The pre sale photos of the "empty" Beach in post #119 were of my previous but identical seven seat T6 Beach. That vehicle was/is classified as a campervan by the DVLA! As far as I can see the only reason for my current Beach being classified as an MPV is that under the new regs any cooking stove needs to be fixed to the vehicle.

However, were I to replace my current MPV Beach with a T6-1 Beach "Camper" with it's single pop up stove I would again have a "campervan" under DVLA rules. An important technical point perhaps to the DVLA but not in the context on this discussion. Given your comments I doubt if you would consider even the T6-1 "Camper" a proper campervan since there is no practical difference between that and my current van.
 
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I asked my dealer the same question - in Spain for tax/vehicle registration, Ocean & Beach Camper are campervans, Beach Tour is classed as a turismo ie a saloon car. If I remember right, campervans are cheaper to tax than a turismo with the same engine (Spain taxes on hp not emissions), both types cost the same at peages if under 2m high.
 
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The beach is the only mpv I know of that comes with built in beds in it. Definitely a campervan, both models are great and gives something for everyone.
We’ve got the GC and caddy cali coming soon they aren’t camper vans either ;)
 
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The beach is the only mpv I know of that comes with built in beds in it. Definitely a campervan, both models are great and gives something for everyone.
We’ve got the GC and caddy cali coming soon they aren’t camper vans either ;)
My OCEAN is an MPV, has built in beds and more.....
 
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My OCEAN is an MPV, has built in beds and more.....
That’s my point doesn’t matter.
I think the concept of what camper vans and the life style of what it brings does get lost on some.
I see people in every sort of van you can imagine out and about from fiat nemos, to massive American school buses.
They are all enjoying camper van life :thumb 0A7FFBE4-3B79-4F04-A5D2-BBCF69EAC220.jpeg
 
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Using your example, I doubt if very many people camp for 365 days a year and for those few that do, how many would have more than four persons on board? Sticking purely with either base vehicle and leaving camping equipment out of the equation, neither can sleep more than four adults comfortably. So as a camper van both versions perform that function well albeit with some compromise involved. The Ocean has built in facilities at the expense of space. The Beach has space but no built in facilities. That's it in a nut shell.

I would suggest that whichever version one chooses would depend on other factors and needs in ones life.

If you only need a campervan then the Ocean/Coast/SE format is excellent. However, if you need your van to do more than that, then the Beach is the one to consider. For those that are unfamiliar, here are some photos that show just some of the flexibility that you get with the Beach format. This flexibility doesn't mean it's a better vehicle, just suitable for a range of applications that many people may not need.


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thanks so much for this.

I was wondering if the table to could be used with two legs and connected to the side. Is that still possible on 6.1 with the little stove?
 
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Some wise members on here (they are, they just don't seem it at times ;) ) advised me to not even consider the price when I was making the same decision. In my case the Beach, when specced up to Ocean level in terms of driving stuff, 3-window bellows etc was almost the same price (Ocean starts cheaper in Spain as there's no Coast) and it's tempting to think, ooh, I get the kitchen etc for free. Which is great until you wish you'd gone for the extra width of the 3 seat bed.

I agonised over it too and went for the Ocean on no more than a hunch it suited *us* better. Based on my own use of the current van, a Beach would suit *me* better. However the family loved the Ocean so my hands were tied in the end.

I don't think you'll regret it at all. It's not exactly expensive to hire a 7 seater or panel van should your kids require moving to Uni or something.
I’ve also taken the tow bar to just rent a trailer if needed
 
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Thanks. I’m interested in your move from lwb to swb. Do you miss the space? Would you ever go back?
We didn't have swivelling seats in our LWB. Passenger side was double bench, later swapped for single. The swivelling seats in the Cali made good the difference lost in the swb.

The extra length in rear was handy for bikes, room for toilet, dog etc. It started out Ocean style, then removed half the cupboards to gain more flexibility/ seating options on floor mounted rails. Ditched the Smev sink/ stove in the process, not used enough to warrant the space.

Drivingwise you don't notice the difference, other than squeezing into smaller parking places.

Probably wouldn't go back, if only that any future change will probably be a self-conversion based on the Peugeot/Citroën/Ducato type mid height, medium length van. DIY as less and less impressed with what you get for your £ and the compromises in design/ increasingly over complex tech. It's good to know how things have been fitted so can resolve issues whilst away.

Many years off though, probably at a time when extended touring becomes an option for us.
 
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You can't compare Beach and Ocean. They are different beasts that fill different niches, the same as the 2 seat Beach does a different thing to a 3 seat Beach and a twin door Tour.
Whilst I agree that they are very "different beasts", some time ago we found ourselves in circumstances where we had to seriously compare both models. We had the privilege of owning a late T5-1 SE 180ps dsg 4motion ex demo at the same time as a seven seat T6 150ps manual Beach, also an ex demo van. How we came to be in that position isn't important but we did intend to run them as our personal escape pod and general purpose family car respectively. Unfortunately Mrs B wasn't confident driving either so long story short, one had to go.

As it turned out the decision wasn't a difficult one. We kept the Beach because we found we could do everything in the Beach that we could do in the SE and a great deal more besides. We are now on our second Beach.
 
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thanks so much for this.

I was wondering if the table to could be used with two legs and connected to the side. Is that still possible on 6.1 with the little stove?
Yes. Apparently you can connect it to the stowed away stove in the side wall with two legs deployed, or to the stove when it's out in it's working position, again with two legs deployed or finally have it standing on it's own on all four legs.
 
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thanks so much for this.

I was wondering if the table to could be used with two legs and connected to the side. Is that still possible on 6.1 with the little stove?
The fold out stove has a double set of rails so you can connect the table with two legs to it whether it's open or closed.
 
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I think @Auberg-ine has done that on a number of occasions.
Comparing photos of an empty Beach, mislabelled as a campervan, to a properly equipped Ocean correctly labelled as a campervan, proves only one thing. You have a MPV that you can take camping when it's loaded up and I have a campervan.
I think WG should offer his services at the Monty Python Argument Office. We know he's already volunteering full time at the Insult Office.
 

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