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The fact that the bed downstairs is kingsize is irrelevant as the upstairs bed is the same on Beach and Ocean unless you cannot use the upstairs bed because of physical limitations. Many Ocean owners use the Upstairs bed out of preference preferring to keep the lounge as it is.
So banging on about the bigger bed in the Beach is irrelevant in practice.

It’s not irrelevant if you use both beds. Children up top, parents down below. At 6am excited children (and dogs) like to snuggle up with parents.
 
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Take your waterproofs. Weather changing for the weekend. Weather front moving in from the Atlantic.:thumb

I’m keeping a close eye on Saturday’s forecast:
The Weather Channel says 80% chance of rain
The Met Office app says dry but cloudy
The MWIS (Snowdonia) says, “As yet detailed confidence not high for the weekend and early next week. There will be a build of pressure following Friday's rain to give substantially fine weather, but the remnants of fronts may still give one or two 'poor' periods, with low cloud and occasional rain.”
So not helpful in coming to a decision!
 
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No pictures of the fridge, kitchen , awning water carriers etc: stacked outside for use when camping.
As a MPV with a bed, outstanding.
See post #54.

The Calicap 700mm pull out boot tray provides stowage for the following:

1. "Dock" Camp kitchen: containing cooking pans, crockery, various knives and other assorted cooking implements, condiments, chopping boards, cafetiere, large Ridge Monkey, kitchen towel etc etc. It will also contain a twin burner Primus Tupike gas stove when it arrives, to replace the current twin single burner Campingaz stoves.

2. Kitchen box: containing assorted cooking liquids and sauces, 907 gas bottle, cooking foil and cling film, lighter fuel, gas lighter, pepper, salt etc etc.

3. Washing up box: containing washing up stuff, washing up liquid, tea towels, spare toilet rolls, washing line etc etc.

4.Electric box: containing 25m ehu cable, and various short extension cables with e.g a three pin socket attached.

5. 30 litre Waeco/Dometic 12/240v CFX35 fridge/freezer and it's various power cables.

6. 10 litre fresh water tank with tap.

7. Collapsible bucket, washing up bowl and tea tray.

8. Breaker bar with 19mm socket.

9. Three panel wind break for use with the single burner stoves.

10. Tarp for use on ground inside the Comfortz awning room.

11. Small Ridge Monkey.

The Comfortz awning room comes in a slim bag which takes up very little room and stows on top of the Multiflex board with the VW Comfort mattress when not in use. When in use it's attached to the van!

All this equipment remains in the van when not in use, even when the down stairs bed is in use. So no need to stack anything outside. Plus you could even cook a meal with the downstairs bed in position.

Everything can be removed and used elsewhere including inside the van or in situ on the pull out tray which is a superb location as it's covered, illuminated at night and at the perfect height for cooking. Also none of the passengers have to move for cooking to take place.

Wash bags, clothes, head torches etc are all stowed in twin rear window Vanessa bags.
 
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See post #54.

The Calicap 700mm pull out boot tray provides stowage for the following:

1. "Dock" Camp kitchen: containing cooking pans, crockery, various knives and other assorted cooking implements, condiments, chopping boards, cafetiere, large Ridge Monkey, kitchen towel etc etc. It will also contain a twin burner Primus Tupike gas stove when it arrives, to replace the current twin single burner Campingaz stoves.

2. Kitchen box: containing assorted cooking liquids and sauces, 907 gas bottle, cooking foil and cling film, lighter fuel, gas lighter, pepper, salt etc etc.

3. Washing up box: containing washing up stuff, washing up liquid, tea towels, spare toilet rolls, washing line etc etc.

4.Electric box: containing 25m ehu cable, and various short extension cables with e.g a three pin socket attached.

5. 30 litre Waeco/Dometic 12/240v CFX35 fridge/freezer and it's various power cables.

6. 10 litre fresh water tank with tap.

7. Collapsible bucket, washing up bowl and tea tray.

8. Breaker bar with 19mm socket.

9. Three panel wind break for use with the single burner stoves.

10. Tarp for use on ground inside the Comfortz awning room.

11. Small Ridge Monkey.

The Comfortz awning room comes in a slim bag which takes up very little room and stows on top of the Multiflex board with the VW Comfort mattress when not in use. When in use it's attached to the van!

All this equipment remains in the van when not in use, even when the down stairs bed is in use. So no need to stack anything outside.

Everything can be removed and used elsewhere including inside the van or in situ on the pull out tray which is a superb location as it's covered, illuminated at night and at the perfect height for cooking. Also none of the passengers have to move for cooking to take place.

Wash bags, clothes, head torches etc are all stowed in twin rear window Vanessa bags.
But you didn't show any of that in your pictures of a camping trip with the Beach.
As I've said as a MPV the Beach is fine, as a bedroom fine. So if you are going to compare the Beach Campervan with the Ocean Campervan then compare like with like.
 
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It’s not irrelevant if you use both beds. Children up top, parents down below. At 6am excited children (and dogs) like to snuggle up with parents.
Thats exactly what happens to us when camping! My main reason for the having the big lower bed. Maybe when we retire and on our own when the boys are grown up, we might move to an Ocean/Coast (or Hymer) as it would possibly work better at that stage.....probably not though as we really WANT the big lower bed. (and as mentioned before that's not to do with our size!!! I'm 5 11" and 11 1/2 stone. My wife is 5 9" and 9 stone!!!!)
 
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But you didn't show any of that in your pictures of a camping trip with the Beach.
As I've said as a MPV the Beach is fine, as a bedroom fine. So if you are going to compare the Beach Campervan with the Ocean Campervan then compare like with like.
Sorry, you've lost me!

How would showing that equipment in use on a camping trip help. What circs would you like me to provide photos of? Since a Beach is "fine" as a bedroom and also as an "mpv" it can only be the cooking aspect that is in question here. Perhaps photos of cooking inside the van à la Ocean or from the pull out tray at the rear or even inside Comfortz room or bigger drive away awning? You can do all of the above with a Beach. Btw you haven't shown any photos of your van in use on a camping trip for me to compare. I really think that anyone with a California can use their imagination don't you? Or are you implying that we don't use that equipment?

Comparing Beach with Ocean has been a re-occurring subject on this forum. This thread is just the latest. That's because it is the one question that everyone should consider before ordering a Cali. It's just a shame that some don't.

You will just have to take my word for it that it also makes a fine and highly flexible campervan.
 
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So if you are going to compare the Beach Campervan with the Ocean Campervan then compare like with like.
You can't compare Beach and Ocean. They are different beasts that fill different niches, the same as the 2 seat Beach does a different thing to a 3 seat Beach and a twin door Tour.

You could compare "like for like" with a Nugget or Marco Polo, conversion etc. Or a Coast and Ocean.

I'm another that switched from a lwb Ocean style VW to a Beach which ticks far more personal boxes. Just never had a need for the shiny stove and sink. Always cooked outside on a duplicate stove.

Small footprint, mpv with bed. Great concept.
 
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You can't compare Beach and Ocean. They are different beasts that fill different niches, the same as the 2 seat Beach does a different thing to a 3 seat Beach and a twin door Tour.

You could compare "like for like" with a Nugget or Marco Polo, conversion etc. Or a Coast and Ocean.

I'm another that switched from a lwb Ocean style VW to a Beach which ticks far more personal boxes. Just never had a need for the shiny stove and sink. Always cooked outside on a duplicate stove.

Small footprint, mpv with bed. Great concept.
Thanks. I’m interested in your move from lwb to swb. Do you miss the space? Would you ever go back?
 
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I do enjoy this somewhat heated discussion as long as we keep a cool head! For many it is a clear and personal decision. But in our case it was a very difficult decision: we did like the flexibility of the beach, the option to take an additional person on a shorter trip, etc. On the other hand we did like the comfort of the built in tools.
If the pricing from VW was not so twisted, we probably had chosen the Beach. Unfortunately VW makes it really difficult as the Beach is even more expensive than the Ocean if you compare them objectively. This is why we went for the Ocean and I hope I won't regret this choice.
 
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Sorry, you've lost me!

How would showing that equipment in use on a camping trip help. What circs would you like me to provide photos of? Since a Beach is "fine" as a bedroom and also as an "mpv" it can only be the cooking aspect that is in question here. Perhaps photos of cooking inside the van à la Ocean or from the pull out tray at the rear or even inside Comfortz room or bigger drive away awning? You can do all of the above with a Beach. Btw you haven't shown any photos of your van in use on a camping trip for me to compare. I really think that anyone with a California can use their imagination don't you? Or are you implying that we don't use that equipment?

Comparing Beach with Ocean has been a re-occurring subject on this forum. This thread is just the latest. That's because it is the one question that everyone should consider before ordering a Cali. It's just a shame that some don't.

You will just have to take my word for it that it also makes a fine and highly flexible campervan.
I think @Auberg-ine has done that on a number of occasions.
Comparing photos of an empty Beach, mislabelled as a campervan, to a properly equipped Ocean correctly labelled as a campervan, proves only one thing. You have a MPV that you can take camping when it's loaded up and I have a campervan.
 
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I do enjoy this somewhat heated discussion as long as we keep a cool head! For many it is a clear and personal decision. But in our case it was a very difficult decision: we did like the flexibility of the beach, the option to take an additional person on a shorter trip, etc. On the other hand we did like the comfort of the built in tools.
If the pricing from VW was not so twisted, we probably had chosen the Beach. Unfortunately VW makes it really difficult as the Beach is even more expensive than the Ocean if you compare them objectively. This is why we went for the Ocean and I hope I won't regret this choice.
Some wise members on here (they are, they just don't seem it at times ;) ) advised me to not even consider the price when I was making the same decision. In my case the Beach, when specced up to Ocean level in terms of driving stuff, 3-window bellows etc was almost the same price (Ocean starts cheaper in Spain as there's no Coast) and it's tempting to think, ooh, I get the kitchen etc for free. Which is great until you wish you'd gone for the extra width of the 3 seat bed.

I agonised over it too and went for the Ocean on no more than a hunch it suited *us* better. Based on my own use of the current van, a Beach would suit *me* better. However the family loved the Ocean so my hands were tied in the end.

I don't think you'll regret it at all. It's not exactly expensive to hire a 7 seater or panel van should your kids require moving to Uni or something.
 
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It's not exactly expensive to hire a 7 seater or panel van should your kids require moving to Uni or something.

From this weekends experience at Manchester Uni an Ocean + 4 passengers still leaves more luggage space than 99.9% of other vehicles most with just the driver + 1.
Students should be encouraged to travel light, especially if their accommodation is on the 4th floor & there is no lift - I'm still not recovered.
 
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From this weekends experience at Manchester Uni an Ocean + 4 passengers still leaves more luggage space than 99.9% of other vehicles most with just the driver + 1.
Students should be encouraged to travel light, especially if their accommodation is on the 4th floor & there is no lift - I'm still not recovered.
Last summer I somehow managed to move the remaining contents of my dad's house, including a 1400cc motorcycle, in my T5 from NW England to N Spain, sleeping in aires* on top of some boxes. Never again, I'll get the professionals in next time!

*well, aires and a dogging haunt somewhere near Ashford.

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I think @Auberg-ine has done that on a number of occasions.
Comparing photos of an empty Beach, mislabelled as a campervan, to a properly equipped Ocean correctly labelled as a campervan, proves only one thing. You have a MPV that you can take camping when it's loaded up and I have a campervan.
WG, are you genuinely of the opinion that the Beach is an MPV rather than a Campervan?
 
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From this weekends experience at Manchester Uni an Ocean + 4 passengers still leaves more luggage space than 99.9% of other vehicles most with just the driver + 1.
Students should be encouraged to travel light, especially if their accommodation is on the 4th floor & there is no lift - I'm still not recovered.

With your construction background I’d have thought you could rig up a pulley and hoist system to lug the kettle and teddy bears and bean bags and other student paraphernalia up to the fourth floor.
 
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WG, are you genuinely of the opinion that the Beach is an MPV rather than a Campervan?

I find it serves both jobs admirably. At the moment ours is in MPV mode. It’s possible that sometime tomorrow I’ll switch it to campervan mode by switching seats 6 & 7 for a fridge, BBQ cum stove, cooking utensils, hillwalking gear, a couple of days’ food and some bedding.

OK, it might not be as quick to prepare as a pre-primed Ocean, but to me a Beach is far more versatile.

I recall a time nearly four years ago, all four of us lying in the upper berth on a cold rainy Pompeii afternoon watching Chitty Chitty Bang! Bang! After the film had finished my then three year old son said, “Our van is better that Chitty Chitty Bang! Bang! because Chitty Chitty Bang! Bang! is not really real, but our van is really real and magically changes.”

I knew exactly what he meant.
 
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We all have different reasons to buy what we buy.

I think I have said before that all I really wanted was a van with some ability for passengers , till I test drove an ocean. I choose VW as I wanted an automatic and went for a California as it the floor was already insulated and had tracks so I did not have to do all the work I had done years ago to convert a T4, no need to add a rock and roll bed, windows etc.

Excuse to buy a van was the need to transport a motorbike from Spain and something I could camp in so when I stay in Abbey Wood to cycle I did not need to take the caravan.

I am not the typical California user so although I liked the ocean it would have been difficult to transport a motorbike and all the other stuff I carry in it. Also the beach was cheaper and I could get one at the time. So as far as I am concerned it is a van with an electric connection ready fitted, good insulation, with added bed, table and chairs. I love it, and it fits my life style.
 
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I’m keeping a close eye on Saturday’s forecast:

It’s not looking too bad for Saturday now. Cloudy with 60% chance of a cloud free summit suggests we might climb above the cloud. Glorious!

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