- T5 SE 180
Thanks for that Terry, but specifically how many post 07/13 180 BMTs have you done?
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TH Performance said:Hi David.
We have tuned the BMT engines on a number of occasions.
The 180bi turbo we tune mainly to eliminate the dreaded turbo lag as per the CFCA version. We increase the bhp but only to around 210bhp as that is a nice reliable gain for this engine. I know people who claim to tune these to 230-250bhp but that pushes these units too much and greatly increases the chance of problems later.
The 115bhp engine we tune to around 160bhp which is a nice reliable level too. We have dyno tested these at over 176bhp and they have proven to be good for this however we believe reliability is more important than power especially with the California/Beach range as these were not designed to be sports cars, they are motorhomes/campers (delete as applicable) and as such they were never designed to break records on race tracks.
These are people’s pride and joys and we respect that hence why we tune them to this level and not more, we decide what is enough as it’s our name that we are keen to promote and that is why the Pendle brand remains the UK’s number 1 tuning company, no other company (despite what they may claim) tunes as many of these as us, fact.
We have a number of commercial partners who sell these vans (california’s etc and vans converted into campervans) and they rely on us to provide them with a service that is reliable and cost effective.
Pendle Performance have done more than our fair share of these, i'm not sure why you would need exact numbers, and without sounding rude, quite a few of our customers request privacy and no photo's on display (like on my Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/thperformance ) so i'm a but reluctant to give specifics. Dpn't take this wrong, but most companies would protect data like that for obvious reasons.DavidS said:Thanks for that Terry, but specifically how many post 07/13 180 BMTs have you done?
TH Performance said:The gear boxes are ok for this, we wouldn't tune them to the 160 mark if we thought it would cause the gearbox any problems.
You have to remember, you're very unlikely to drive these at the level where it's going to push it that much (to cause it harm). As I said, we have tested these and we have hundreds of customers with the 85/102 and 115 models that have not had a single problem with gearboxes.
MPG wise, we have seen increases in MPG of between 8-15% however the caveat is that all depends on your driving style etc. If you start driving it faster then you'll not see any gains, drive it normally and you will see increases.
It's pretty simple math, if the engine is using less effort to get from a 2 b then it will save fuel, and it really is as simple as that.
One thing we don;t do is offer "eco" tunes as there is no such thing, you get the same result. We don't believe in duping people, we tell it as it is, we offer choices and honest advice nothing else.
Very interesting thread and some good thoughts.T4WFA said:The benefit vs risk of aftermarket tuning is always a popular topic on forums. I'm afraid this thread has done nothing to change my (personal) opinion that it is still a very amateur sport and best avoided on a £50k vehicle bought for leisure use.
Would you still consider it 'amateurish' if you knew that we have tuned vehicles for customers of VW at dealerships for and behalf of VW?T4WFA said:The benefit vs risk of aftermarket tuning is always a popular topic on forums. I'm afraid this thread has done nothing to change my (personal) opinion that it is still a very amateur sport and best avoided on a £50k vehicle bought for leisure use.
Why do they leave the factory at X bhp?James said:My own reasoning says, I understand that engines have room for more BHP but there must be a reason why VW designed my Beach BMT to 115bhp - I'd only consider a remap if I understood this reasoning.
After all VW have spent millions designing vehicles, let's be fair, they've been doing this a fair while and this know a bit of what they are doing. I know the engines have tolerance but I wouldn't be keen to take the risk.
The other question I ask is, even at 115bhp i don't need extra power, I know people say it eliminates turbo lag on the 180, it gives me low down torque etc etc etc.... I don't doubt but I have never driven around wanting more power, if I do, I feel maybe I've bought the wrong vehicle. I mean each to their own, I've put things on my Beach which aren't needed but this quest for more power is not something I'd been keen to risk.
I do think this is interesting though and it's great to have a company that does this sort of thing give their input on the forum.
Well that's an interesting response as in a past life I was Purchasing Director of a multi-national Co and did enjoy a few bonuses by reducing the cost of the fleet!The customer tells his boss we have saved anything from £700k to £1m plus on motoring costs, he or she gets a big bonus.
T4WFA said:Well that's an interesting response as in a past life I was Purchasing Director of a multi-national Co and did enjoy a few bonuses by reducing the cost of the fleet!The customer tells his boss we have saved anything from £700k to £1m plus on motoring costs, he or she gets a big bonus.
This latest argument (ie: it's all about VW's marketing) attempts to address why the 84hp exists, but look back down the thread and you'll see different arguments made for different models (unless you are telling me VW put turbo lag on the 180's for marketing reasons). Non of the arguments are particularly 'fact-packed' but just opinions / theories / assumptions.
Pendle are clearly one of the top tuning Co's but it's still a man with a rolling road, a lap top and a good brain vs. thousands of engineers and billions of Euros spent designing the things in the first place. It's not hard to argue that comparing the two, one appears amateur.
Your willingness to defend the removal of DPF doesn't help your case.
LOL indeed. And it wasn't your van i was referring to at 55kcurtisnash said:Terry I admire your tenacity but you are going to have your work cut out trying to sell remaps into this forum these are camper vans after all.
I would suggest you actually sell something that makes for longer turbo lag to give long leisurely starts and reduces the overall power by at least 30% this may then also save fuel and work with the Blue Motion System that does about the same thing. A set of 10inch wheels and high lift suspension will be a winner as well along with a badge with a tree on it. You could then market a whole range of products into this forum a Pendal branded colostomy bag with an attachment that fits into the sink would be a hot seller it will of course need to be VW authorised but as I am 63 next month I can help you test this out if you supply the booze. Although it may be to late as I have very nearly sozzled myself laughing reading this thread.
Also on a personal note Terry will you stop underpricing my Van it was 62k thanks plus 4k for wheels and leather not 55k. You did a great job remapping it, as a pensioner with a bus pass I should of course be in a home and not driving but until that time I now enjoy a lack of turbo lack that was IMO dangerous and greater flexibility and speed. Well done and thanks.