Which electric car to buy?

[clarinetbcn]

Suspect each manufacturer will have a signature ‘jingle’ played at low speeds. Brian Eno is probably busy composing as we speak

So in London crosswalks say “Look right” to protect foreign pedestrians, but there is no regulation to require low speed EVs to project sound in order to protect locals???

 

[WelshGas]

In Spain EVs, including public transport (most of the local busses are electric) are required to have sound projection at low speeds (higher speed tire noise makes this redundant.) It usually sounds like something out of science fiction, entertaining and effective. I think it’s an EU rule, so you may not have it in the UK?

UK Government introduced that requirement from 1st July 2019.

New noise systems to stop ‘silent’ electric cars and improve safety

From 1 July 2019 all manufacturers must install an acoustic sound system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles to improve road safety.

www.gov.uk

 

[WelshGas]

So in London crosswalks say “Look right” to protect foreign pedestrians, but there is no regulation to require low speed EVs to project sound in order to protect locals???

Incorrect.

 

[clarinetbcn]

And being hit by one. Personal liability will likewise increase to cover claims from pedestrians and their families who are hit by these silent assassins.

I figured this had to be wrong, thanks for confirming.

 

[Lambeth Cali]

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[Ch1pbutty]

In Spain EVs, including public transport (most of the local busses are electric) are required to have sound projection at low speeds (higher speed tire noise makes this redundant.) It usually sounds like something out of science fiction, entertaining and effective. I think it’s an EU rule, so you may not have it in the UK?

Ours only make a noise when reversing. Sounds a like a spaceship so gets pedestrians attention!

Silent when going forward, but will brake if it detects someone / something in front of the car, or a red traffic light.

 

[clarinetbcn]

Ours only make a noise when reversing. Sounds a like a spaceship so gets pedestrians attention!

Silent when going forward, but will brake if it detects someone / something in front of the car, or a red traffic light.

Incorrect according to WelshGas’s post #1,127 above.

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Incorrect according to WelshGas’s post #1,127 above.

Actually he’s correct, just checked & apparently it also make a sound when driving forwards below 20mph…but can’t say I have ever noticed it.

 

[clarinetbcn]

Info on this topic changes daily, lucky we have this forum to keep us up to date.

 

[Amarillo]

Actually he’s correct, just checked & apparently it also make a sound when driving forwards below 20mph…but can’t say I have ever noticed it.

It would be amusing if EV owners could select or download their own slow forward and reverse tones like we did with mobile phone ring tones in the early naughties.

Central London would once again be a symphony of Vivaldi, ABBA and “Frankie say Relax”, with the odd default Nokia ring tone thrown in.

 

[The Tall Luthier]

In Spain EVs, including public transport (most of the local busses are electric) are required to have sound projection at low speeds (higher speed tire noise makes this redundant.) It usually sounds like something out of science fiction, entertaining and effective. I think it’s an EU rule, so you may not have it in the UK?

The AVAS rule, written by the EU, was implemented in 2019 when we were EU members so it’s in our legislation too. All ev cars manufactured from 2021 are required to have it on sun 20km/h.

 

[Lambeth Cali]

Once again find myself wishing I had £70k spare. Doug loves it big time.

 

[subthree]

Once again find myself wishing I had £70k spare. Doug loves it big time.

Interested to know what that £70k will be in 10 years when the batteries might need replacing...

 

[Wildcamper]

When looking to purchase an ev don't forget to consider the increased tyre wear and the corresponding increased pollution caused by the micro rubber particles released into the environment.

Insight: Tyre-makers under pressure as too much rubber hits the road

Tyre-makers are under pressure to almost literally reinvent the wheel as regulators turn their scrutiny to tyre pollution that is set to surge with the rise of electric vehicles.

www.reuters.com

 

[soulstyledevon]

Wow…

 

[Kernowboy]

Wow…
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Just think of the tyre pollution, criminal.

 

[Kernowboy]

When looking to purchase an ev don't forget to consider the increased tyre wear and the corresponding increased pollution caused by the micro rubber particles released into the environment.

Insight: Tyre-makers under pressure as too much rubber hits the road

Tyre-makers are under pressure to almost literally reinvent the wheel as regulators turn their scrutiny to tyre pollution that is set to surge with the rise of electric vehicles.

www.reuters.com

Love this argument, 3+ tonnes of Cali is much better.

 

[Lambeth Cali]

When looking to purchase an ev don't forget to consider the increased tyre wear and the corresponding increased pollution caused by the micro rubber particles released into the environment.

Insight: Tyre-makers under pressure as too much rubber hits the road

Tyre-makers are under pressure to almost literally reinvent the wheel as regulators turn their scrutiny to tyre pollution that is set to surge with the rise of electric vehicles.

www.reuters.com

You might want to consider metallic paint also as mica comes from mines in India with child labour……

Vauxhall and BMW among car firms linked to child labour over glittery mica paint | Child labour | The Guardian

Paint used by car makers including Vauxhall, BMW, Volkswagen and Audi linked to illegal mines in India reliant on child labour and debt bondage

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Ch1pbutty]

When looking to purchase an ev don't forget to consider the increased tyre wear and the corresponding increased pollution caused by the micro rubber particles released into the environment.

Insight: Tyre-makers under pressure as too much rubber hits the road

Tyre-makers are under pressure to almost literally reinvent the wheel as regulators turn their scrutiny to tyre pollution that is set to surge with the rise of electric vehicles.

www.reuters.com

Loads of tread left on our EV. Still on 1st set with 17k miles on the clock. Even tyre wear all round.

 

[soulstyledevon]

You might want to consider metallic paint also as mica comes from mines in India with child labour……

Vauxhall and BMW among car firms linked to child labour over glittery mica paint | Child labour | The Guardian

Paint used by car makers including Vauxhall, BMW, Volkswagen and Audi linked to illegal mines in India reliant on child labour and debt bondage

amp.theguardian.com

Won’t need to worry about child labour soon. In fact any sort of labour welfare….

tesla bot update: watch the humanoid robot walk and pick up stuff without assistance

www.designboom.com

 

[Wildcamper]

Britain should get out of the electric vehicle business

A frantic round of last-minute lobbying is already underway. Officials are trying to stitch together a deal. And the Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is pushing hard to find a compromise that works for both sides. There are lots of negotiations over ‘rules of origin’ for electric vehicles that will...

www.spectator.co.uk

One of several interesting comments: "We don't know if battery powered vehicles will be the answer to climate change everyone assumes they are. Maybe hydrogen will emerge ......."

 

[Wildcamper]

Europe is beginning to turn against the prophets of climate alarmism

Levels of eco-anxiety are rising among the young, but the planet’s future is brighter than many think

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Europe is beginning to turn against the prophets of climate alarmism

Levels of eco-anxiety are rising among the young, but the planet’s future is brighter than many think

www.telegraph.co.uk

Local councils would be better off diverting these funds into fixing potholes, this would go a long way in reducing anxiety in the real world.

(I only had acces to the first paragraph, wanting to read the full article wanted money. Pay per view posts are not for me)

 

[soulstyledevon]

Europe is beginning to turn against the prophets of climate alarmism

Levels of eco-anxiety are rising among the young, but the planet’s future is brighter than many think

www.telegraph.co.uk

Are you trying to argue climate change isn’t happening…?
I’m not sure why you’re so against EVs ?
They might not be perfect, but we need to start moving in a different direction.

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Britain should get out of the electric vehicle business

A frantic round of last-minute lobbying is already underway. Officials are trying to stitch together a deal. And the Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is pushing hard to find a compromise that works for both sides. There are lots of negotiations over ‘rules of origin’ for electric vehicles that will...

www.spectator.co.uk

One of several interesting comments: "We don't know if battery powered vehicles will be the answer to climate change everyone assumes they are. Maybe hydrogen will emerge ......."

Hydrogen still requires a lot of energy to create, and also needs infrastructure to deliver , but existing ICE fuel stations / Tankers can be adapted.

Electric motor is simpler than a hydrogen engine, so requires less parts to build. Running costs are also cheaper, less parts to fail or be maintained. This upsets car manufacturers as they will lose money on the servicing side, as most software updates for EV’s are done at home using WIFI.

You can create your own electricity at home with ‘zero emission’ solar to offset your car running costs, and also reduce your household bills, so it’s not just about the car. ( Ok - building solar panels, home battery, wind farms etc creates emissions so not entirely zero emission.).