Which electric car to buy?

[JuanVecino2023]

BEV's are appliances. I could wear an Apple watch or tell the time on my iPhone but I choose to wear an automatic mechanical watch. Sometimes its more than just the some of its parts or in the case of a BEV, getting from A to B as cheaply as possible. Call me a dinosaur.

Dinosaur

 

[JuanVecino2023]

BEV's are appliances. I could wear an Apple watch or tell the time on my iPhone but I choose to wear an automatic mechanical watch. Sometimes its more than just the some of its parts or in the case of a BEV, getting from A to B as cheaply as possible. Call me a dinosaur.

I really like the Apple Watch analogy.

I have an Apple Watch. But it’s just a (largely unnecessary), tool. I wear it, play with recording my exercise & closing rings etc. None of which is really that useful. Heart rate monitoring is ok. But it’s just a tool and not a particularly nice looking one.

Whereas wearing a mechanical watch from my humble Seiko, through to more exotic watches gives me a joy. Their horological history. The story of the Moon Watch - every aspect of that accidental fit had a purpose for life in space. Unlike my Apple Watch which has a lot of tech for tech’s sake.

Both have use cases. Much like cars the digital version is commoditised and soulless.

I have (had), both. But I know from experience with both watches & cars, the ones which give me joy.

 

[Lambeth Cali]

BMW BEV (which isn't going to go bust), Fitbit and my dad's 1960 Omega for me.

Apple watches only ever had 2 uses - people wanting to say 'look I've got an Apple watch!' and/or people who wanted to read their emails 24 hours a day.

 

[andyinluton]

BMW BEV (which isn't going to go bust), Fitbit and my dad's 1960 Omega for me.

Apple watches only ever had 2 uses - people wanting to say 'look I've got an Apple watch!' and/or people who wanted to read their emails 24 hours a day.

I hate digital watches but like some of the functions so its a Kronaby watch for me, the most analogue smart watch I could find, the buttons are programmable for a number of functions including controlling the music on my phone. its got GPS etc.
It buzzes on my wrist for incoming calls, texts etc & you can programme it so the hands indicate who it is calling ie big hand points to nr 1 its the wife, nr 2 its the boss etc. has a payment chip enbedded in the strap as well. Unlike the Apple Watch it uses a standard CR3032 watch battery which lasts up to a year with no charging required.

 

[Corradobrit]

BMW BEV (which isn't going to go bust), Fitbit and my dad's 1960 Omega for me.

Apple watches only ever had 2 uses - people wanting to say 'look I've got an Apple watch!' and/or people who wanted to read their emails 24 hours a day.

Well I can see a couple of additional benefits of the Apple tech, probably more suited to the older generation and thats as a emergency hailing system eg in the case of a fall and advance warning of heart arrhythmias.

 

[Corradobrit]

big hand points to nr 1 its the wife, nr 2 its the boss etc.

Better not get that mixed up. As for the bit on the side?

 

[JuanVecino2023]

BMW BEV (which isn't going to go bust), Fitbit and my dad's 1960 Omega for me.

Apple watches only ever had 2 uses - people wanting to say 'look I've got an Apple watch!' and/or people who wanted to read their emails 24 hours a day.

Omega, a man of wealth & taste. The one watch I shall never sell is my Moon Watch. It’s perfect. Not showy. Equally at home with a pair of shorts in the van, as a suit out to a Michelin dinner. Timeless.

I agree re Apple Watch. Never looked at an email on the thing. I feel like an utter knucklehead shouting into my wrist on the rare few occasions I’ve taken a call on it.

It was a freebie from EE. I really must replace it with a Fitbit.

BMW EV are acceptable. i3S is already a modern classic. i4 is the closest EV I have driven to a ‘proper’ car.

 

[JuanVecino2023]

I hate digital watches but like some of the functions so its a Kronaby watch for me, View attachment 129611 the most analogue smart watch I could find, the buttons are programmable for a number of functions including controlling the music on my phone. its got GPS etc.
It buzzes on my wrist for incoming calls, texts etc & you can programme it so the hands indicate who it is calling ie big hand points to nr 1 its the wife, nr 2 its the boss etc. has a payment chip enbedded in the strap as well. Unlike the Apple Watch it uses a standard CR3032 watch battery which lasts up to a year with no charging required.

Pretty cool. Not seen this before.

 

[JuanVecino2023]

Well I can see a couple of additional benefits of the Apple tech, probably more suited to the older generation and thats as a emergency hailing system eg in the case of a fall and advance warning of heart arrhythmias.

There is this. But there are alternatives to having in watch form.

I find the aesthetic of people that wear an Apple on one wrist and a mechanical watch on the other sets my hives raging.

Fitbit/mechanical acceptable. A mate of mine wears some smart ring. But it looks more at place in an East End fighting pub (which is now likely a gentrified Michelin restaurant).

 

[JuanVecino2023]

Better not get that mixed up. As for the bit on the side?

That’s the Fitbit…

 

[Corradobrit]

That’s the Fitbit…

They usually are

 

[Lambeth Cali]

Omega, a man of wealth & taste. The one watch I shall never sell is my Moon Watch. It’s perfect. Not showy. Equally at home with a pair of shorts in the van, as a suit out to a Michelin dinner. Timeless.

I agree re Apple Watch. Never looked at an email on the thing. I feel like an utter knucklehead shouting into my wrist on the rare few occasions I’ve taken a call on it.

It was a freebie from EE. I really must replace it with a Fitbit.

BMW EV are acceptable. i3S is already a modern classic. i4 is the closest EV I have driven to a ‘proper’ car.

I would stay away from the ‘S’ if I were you. Brittle ride. Even the Wisely chap who sold me my non S said that.

 

[JuanVecino2023]

I would stay away from the ‘S’ if I were you. Brittle ride. Even the Wisely chap who sold me my non S said that.

I know, I know. So unsuitable for the Gloucestershire potholes as well.

But the wider track width, lower ride height and the wider wheels look good. And make it handle better.

I can't get beyond that.

 

[Wannabecamperman]

My smart for two diesel cost £6k in 2011, has done 100k miles and total life cost Inc tax (zero) maintenance and insurance and fuel is now less than 3p per mile, and it has never needed charging......just saying.
Do Tesla's not need brake servicing? A/c servicing, tyres, wiper blades, Mots?

Apologies, @secret lemonade drinker

I thought you said 'car'.

 

[Corradobrit]

Cool concept

Toyota's portable hydrogen cartridges look like giant AA batteries – and could spell the end of lengthy EV charging

They could also power your home, too

www.techradar.com

 

[Boomer]

I'm not currently convinced about hydrogen. Use electricity to make hydrogen to convert back to electricity to charge a battery.

Will hydrogen overtake batteries in the race for zero-emission cars?

In part six of our series exploring myths surrounding EVs, we weigh up what will be the power of the future

www.theguardian.com

 

[Corradobrit]

I'm not currently convinced about hydrogen. Use electricity to make hydrogen to convert back to electricity to charge a battery.

Will hydrogen overtake batteries in the race for zero-emission cars?

In part six of our series exploring myths surrounding EVs, we weigh up what will be the power of the future

www.theguardian.com

If the electricity is from renewable sources whats the issue? Think of the convenience vs queuing up for charging point.

 

[Boomer]

If the electricity is from renewable sources whats the issue? Think of the convenience vs queuing up for charging point.

Because it's a lot more energy inefficient; you're introducing two additional steps to get electricity into a battery - that's the biggest issue with hydrogen (ignoring storage and infrastructure). Plus, and I am making assumptions on this one, battery tech and charging speeds will only get better so the convenience issue 'should' become less of an issue. I will again caveat all of this with the acknowledgement that EVs do not currently meet everyone's requirements.

 

[clarinetbcn]

I waited to buy a van because I really wanted an electric one, but as we know, current EV charging technology is useless for camper vans, and I’m not getting any younger.

However, if I’m still driving and camping 10 years from now, I have absolutely no doubt that there will be a thriving industry dedicated to ripping out our diesel drive trains, which were obsolete when they were sold new, and replacing them in our amazing space efficient vans with electric motors, which are already light years ahead of ICE technology, and battery packs that will have been created by the largest dedication of capital to research in industrial history. And it won’t (sadly) be driven by concerns about the way we are fouling our own nest, but rather by car companies running after the economic benefits of manufacturing a drive train with three moving parts and selling at a premium over current ICE technology with its endless hundreds of parts, big and small.

 

[Wannabecamperman]

I read an article today about the ability to use a hydrogen cartridge to potentially power both home and car, and didn't realise that Toyota have had UK cars using hydrogen for years with the Toyota Mirai and also the newer Hyundai Nexo SUV uses hydrogen already in it's UK cars.

Toyota's Hydrogen Cartridges Could Be The Batteries Of The Future | Carscoops

The cartridges could be used for cooking or for generating electricity with fuel cells

www.carscoops.com

Toyota and Woven Planet develop new portable hydrogen cartridge prototype to power everyday applications - Toyota Media Site

Toyota and Woven Planet develop new portable hydrogen cartridge prototype.

media.toyota.co.uk

 

[Corradobrit]

I read an article today about the ability to use a hydrogen cartridge to potentially power both home and car, and didn't realise that Toyota have had UK cars using hydrogen for years with the Toyota Mirai and also the newer Hyundai Nexo SUV uses hydrogen already in it's UK cars.

Toyota's Hydrogen Cartridges Could Be The Batteries Of The Future | Carscoops

The cartridges could be used for cooking or for generating electricity with fuel cells

www.carscoops.com

Toyota and Woven Planet develop new portable hydrogen cartridge prototype to power everyday applications - Toyota Media Site

Toyota and Woven Planet develop new portable hydrogen cartridge prototype.

media.toyota.co.uk

Posted above mate, wonderful concept and one that would get me to switch to an environmentally fiendly alternative. Unfortunately for me, BEV is not that thing.

 

[secret lemonade drinker]

Personally I want a Silence Nanocar to replace my Smart for two when it dies

 

[Lambeth Cali]

The EU brings in legislation that fines you for selling ICE cars so Porsche makes their best selling car EV only. Smart people and great engineers. I’d love a used Taycan.

Porsche Macan electric (2024) review: basic is best — CAR

Fri, 01 Nov 2024 At a glance Handling 4 out of 5 Performance 4 out of 5 Usability 4 out of 5 Feelgood factor 4 out of 5 CAR's Rating 4 out of 5 View all Porsche Reviews ► We sample the entry-level Macan in the UK ► Turbo model comes with 630bhp ► Range starts from £67,000 Read exclusive content...

apple.news

 

[Corradobrit]

The EU brings in legislation that fines you for selling ICE cars so Porsche makes their best selling car EV only. Smart people and great engineers. I’d love a used Taycan.

Porsche Macan electric (2024) review: basic is best — CAR

Fri, 01 Nov 2024 At a glance Handling 4 out of 5 Performance 4 out of 5 Usability 4 out of 5 Feelgood factor 4 out of 5 CAR's Rating 4 out of 5 View all Porsche Reviews ► We sample the entry-level Macan in the UK ► Turbo model comes with 630bhp ► Range starts from £67,000 Read exclusive content...

apple.news

I guess Porsche are giving the EU the bird

 

[soulstyledevon]

I guess Porsche are giving the EU the bird

Porsche have efuels on the horizon, plus their client base can absorb any potential price increase.
If Porsche are fined £15k per unit, they’ll add it to the cost of the car. Won’t make much difference to a GT3 owner…