Goodbye Brussels, hello Burnley.

[Amarillo]

Eh? What promise, impossible or otherwise, does Theresa May inherit on NHS funding (£350m or whatever other number)???

See here for details of three key promises:

1. ‘Let’s give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week’
2. ‘A vote for leave will be a vote to cut immigration’
3. ‘Five million more migrants could enter Britain by 2030 if Turkey and four other applicant countries join the EU’
​

Note: 'Inherit' is not a word I used. The phrase I used was a deliberate oxymoron.

​

 

[Amarillo]

Oh dear. Boeing have just announced an increase in their UK workforce of some 2000 jobs.
That wasn't predicted, was it?

Neither did I predict that my sales would increase.

What is entirely predictable is that in a period of change there will be winners and losers. A change for the better will produce more winners than losers, and a change for the worse will produce more losers than winners.

Here's a second prediction: if my first prediction is wrong (and I do not expect to be wrong), there will be many more losers than winners.

 

[WelshGas]

Of course you are never wrong. We ALL know that.

 

[fred]

You are a lost cause as you cannot move on, I was writing a proper reply that you could not twist but it would be a waste of my effort. On your tombstone you can have inscribed "I'm telling you they said on that bus 350 million"
You are lost in minutiae and have no ability to look at the big picture or any vision for the country.


Mike

I think it's quite fair for remainers (actually, anyone who believes in democracy) to object to the country being sold on Brexit offering several key benefits, each of which turn out to be a blatant lie, and then to be told that we should put this behind us and "Brexit means brexit". Especially when there was never any reason to believe that an out vote in the EU referendum actually meant Brexit.

 

[pjm-84]

Come on guys.... play nicely.

I think we need to agree to disagree. On the plus side I believe the current situation to be far better then predicted. I'm just hoping we're not on the h'orderves, with the starter (article 50) and main course (agreement) to come.

 

[WelshGas]

I think it's quite fair for remainers (actually, anyone who believes in democracy) to object to the country being sold on Brexit offering several key benefits, each of which turn out to be a blatant lie, and then to be told that we should put this behind us and "Brexit means brexit". Especially when there was never any reason to believe that an out vote in the EU referendum actually meant Brexit.

We're all doomed, we're all doomed Captain Mannering. Tough.

 

[pjm-84]

......and if you're going to buy a T6 do it quickly.

 

[Amarillo]

Of course you are never wrong. We ALL know that.

What a silly thing to say.

 

[fred]

Come on guys.... play nicely.

I think we need to agree to disagree. On the plus side I believe the current situation to be far better then predicted. I'm just hoping we're not on the h'orderves, with the starter (article 50) and main course (agreement) to come.

The fallout has not even begun. Yes we all took a 20% loss when sterling fell. But seriously, the recession that's coming to the UK will be like nothing this country has ever experienced in recent history.

The thing is, if you remove exports of banking, insurance and associated professional services (legal, accountancy, investment, consulting) from the UK's economy because these services cannot be passported to Europe under free movement of goods, services and people, what is actually left? The UK barely manufactures anything for export and it doesn't dig anything out of the ground. Pharmaceuticals and some IP/tech perhaps, but the UK is in a debt spiral even with financial/professional services in the mix.

So what does a post-Brexit UK do for the world that the rest of the world actually wants? Are we planning to suddenly export a vast amount of bunting and keep calm and carry on tea towels that I'm not aware of?

 

[WelshGas]

What a silly thing to say.

I don't think my statement is "silly" at all. You have spent the last 30 pages in this thread telling anyone who disagrees with you and/or Fred that our views are wrong/incorrect so my Statement that " You are never wrong and we All know that " is correct. Unless of course you are prepared to admit that you are not the all seeing Oracle and that your prophecies may or may not come to pass over the short/long term and are just that, a possibility. Many things that have happened over the past few days/weeks since the Referendum were not foreseen by anyone nor the outcomes.
Who could have forecasted 6 weeks ago that England would get knocked out of Euro 2016 and Wales get through to the semi-final or that so many Top Seeds would get knocked out at Wimbledon. Certainly not me and I doubt if you even gave it a thought as a possibility. That's life - unpredictable.

 

[Neilgbj]

Isn't it time to close this thread given how views continue to be polarised and are now becoming very personal? All a bit over the top perhaps? That's just my view ....

 

[Amarillo]

The fallout has not even begun. Yes we all took a 20% loss when sterling fell. But seriously, the recession that's coming to the UK will be like nothing this country has ever experienced in recent history.

I am not sure we can properly predict that the recession will be the biggest. If Brexit actually happens, and I doubt it will, a Norway type model is the most likely, with services mostly saved. An association agreement like Ukraine, Georgia or Turkey would do much more to harm services, and if free movement of people is a red line, this is what we'd get.

What I find it difficult to understand is why so many people voted for a drop in their living standards. The power and sovereignty bit I can sort of understand: the rich can afford to exchange wealth for power. But among normal working people? It just doesn't make sense. People were either conned into believing the lies of prominent Bexiteers, or thought that they were voting for some sort of unachievable utopia.

 

[marshian70]

I agree - a few instances now of the 'pot calling the kettle black'
All of us will want a bright and prosperous a future for the UK - let's keep our fingers crossed

 

[Amarillo]

my Statement that " You are never wrong and we All know that " is correct.

No. It is blatantly obviously incorrect.

In this very thread I have been proved wrong over my prediction of the referendum result.

In another thread that I know you have been following, I have freely admitted being wrong about the source of Eurotunnel's definition of a campervan:

Yes - after looking at the DVLA website, I agree with you

 

[WelshGas]

No. It is blatantly obviously incorrect.

In this very thread I have been proved wrong over my prediction of the referendum result.

In another thread that I know you have been following, I have freely admitted being wrong about the source of Eurotunnel's definition of a camper van:

I apologise - None of us are perfect!

 

[Keith Smith]

At least with May we have the best chance of moving forward positively, my view is that she will hold informal talks through the summer; she's a pretty pragmatic no nonsense woman perhaps she will hire a Cali and do a European tour

After that she may well call an election after putting forward her findings and what she sees is achievable if we leave the EU. She seems as honest as a politician can ever be, if she then says leaving the EU is going to be disastrous for the UK are we still going to insist that she implements article 50?

 

[GrannyJen]

Many years ago I wrote to Theresa May when she was shadow something or other. I also wrote to my own MP and quite a few others.

20 waffling vacuous replies and one straight the the point, honest, clear and totally free of bull.

For that Theresa May gets my vote.

History of euro scepticism, reluctant remainer, appeals to both sides of a divided electorate.

 

[Amarillo]

For that Theresa May gets my vote.

What I find delightfully astonishing is the real possibility of a female German Chancellor and a female British Prime Minister joined by a Female US president. Arguably the three most influential world leaders all women.

There is also the darker possibility of a female French president in the form of the far right wing Marine Le Pen.

 

[T6 CFO]

Actions speak louder than words https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10426/theresa_may/maidenhead/votes

Meaningless statistics unless you listened to each debate, it's context at the time etc etc. I could vote for or against most of those depending on many circumstances.
A bit like voting for remain or leave.
Saving 350 million for the NHS did it for me.


Mike

 

[T6 CFO]

What I find delightfully astonishing is the real possibility of a female German Chancellor and a female British Prime Minister joined by a Female US president. Arguably the three most influential world leaders all women.

There is also the darker possibility of a female French president in the form of the far right wing Marine Le Pen.

Precisely. One of the main reasons that I wanted to leave was the ever increasing move towards a Federal Europe. If I had thought they would listen I would have voted remain to change from within. They clearly were not, therefore out for me.
A more Federal Europe will increase the power of the right in many European countries.
Contrary to the view being touted during the referendum I do not believe this country would tolerate a right wing party, obviously there are dangers but I believe even the strong move towards the more right wing parts of UKIP were a protest. I would prefer this protest and some of the legitimate complaints to be addressed by the left.
A positive exit and an open outlook to the world is what is required. I do not care about actual numbers of immigrants, the amount spent on the NHS or any other statistics. We want to end up with a more equal society and we are not going to get this by protecting the interests of the elites by claims of a trickle down to the less fortunate. Yes there may be some short or even medium term financial impact, yes the elites will be affected less than the poor but it is I believe a price worth paying. Not everything in life is better because you have more.
Just look at the state of the USA, does anyone really believe this has anything to do with race and the police or is this just the point where the two sides of society clash with the police being the buffer and point of conflict.
Sorry, will get off my soapbox.

Fed up with the debate continually going back to rubbish and lies. They both told lies, they always tell lies, it is for us and the media to question those lies. Each side takes selective quotes and amplifies those lies, the media need to expose this not amplify them. The lies were exposed, people still voted as they did, this is democracy.





Mike

 

[GrannyJen]

What I find delightfully astonishing is the real possibility of a female German Chancellor and a female British Prime Minister joined by a Female US president. Arguably the three most influential world leaders all women.

There is also the darker possibility of a female French president in the form of the far right wing Marine Le Pen.

And in the UK it could be a female head of state, female Prime Minister and female leader of the opposition.

 

[T6 CFO]

And in the UK it could be a female head of state, female Prime Minister and female leader of the opposition.

First two yes but not the third. Three all together though as SHMBO is in charge round here


Mike

 

[WelshGas]

And in the UK it could be a female head of state, female Prime Minister and female leader of the opposition.

Which Opposition? Labour seem to have pressed the Self Destruct Button.

 

[T6 CFO]

Which Opposition? Labour seem to have pressed the Self Destruct Button.

Yep! Somebody's broken window at Eagles constituency and she's telling Corbyn to get a grip of his followers.
What a state to get into.


Mike

 

[GrannyJen]

Which Opposition? Labour seem to have pressed the Self Destruct Button.

SNP as it will soon be the only party that will have shadows in all ministerial positions and therefore able to form a government.

Constitutionally I don't think Jezza with Johny mac as shadow chancellor, health, education, home and away etc. will get away with it.