ID Buzz - Cancelled Order...

[Wannabecamperman]

I had a great plan for dragons den. A hot hatch that sterilizes the occupants. The car is left unlocked on the street like a bait car, or provided under the mobility vehicle scheme. Voila.

We could use a fleet of them for young men leaving our prisons too.

 

[RetroRed5]

Fuel duty is a charge on "fuel usage", designed as a means of generating general purpose tax revenue, not specifically a charge on driving; of course in reality to folks like us, we use fossil fuels to move around, so it ends up being in effect something that feels like a charge on driving, but the idea behind fuel duty is to charge for the use of fossil fuels, regardless of application; and as is the case with any type of excise tax, it is often used as a way to alter behaviour, or rather discourage consumption. Consider for example the use of fossil fuel for heating, or in industry, in that case fuel is not being used for driving, it is being used to keep warm or make something, yet some form of duty (often at different rates) is still levied.

An EV does not (at the point of usage) use fossil fuel, hence no duty is charged on anything related to driving said EV, but as you say, this is creating a shortfall in tax revenue and so the government are looking for ways to plug that gap in terms of a general loss in tax revenue by picking on EV drivers and using them as the scape goat for the shortfall. The shortfall should really have been plugged (at least partially) by reducing spending rather than taxing every minutiae of people’s lives.

I totally agree that EV drivers should contribute a fair share toward road maintenance, which they do now since April this year with normal VED/Premium Car VED, but the argument that is it somehow unfair on us ICE drivers that EV drivers are not paying any fuel duty is fundamentally flawed.

 

[sidepod]

I think you lot should chill out, go to the pub. It’s Friday after all.

 

[RetroRed5]

I think you lot should chill out, go to the pub. It’s Friday after all.

I'm always chill
But that aint such a bad idea, especially given it's Friday

 

[soulstyledevon]

Forget PPM.
Just land a flat rate £250 for EV ownership.
It’ll stick money in the piggy bank without people feeling raped….

 

[Scarlett]

This is super alarmist. The ID buzz isn’t exactly a cheap EV. If you wanted to buy an EV to save money then you would be looking at a second hand MG. You are willing to drop £60k on a fancy car but not willing to spend an extra circa £300 taxing it.

 

[soulstyledevon]

This is super alarmist. The ID buzz isn’t exactly a cheap EV. If you wanted to buy an EV to save money then you would be looking at a second hand MG. You are willing to drop £60k on a fancy car but not willing to spend an extra circa £300 taxing it.

I wouldn’t be handing over my money to the Chinese State. Buying secondhand only boosts their residual values.

As for the price of the Buzz.
This isn’t the first member to re-consider the vehicle. We can find many excuses, but the same underlying issue repeats itself.
The Price….

 

[RetroRed5]

This is super alarmist. The ID buzz isn’t exactly a cheap EV. If you wanted to buy an EV to save money then you would be looking at a second hand MG. You are willing to drop £60k on a fancy car but not willing to spend an extra circa £300 taxing it.

Read the whole thread.

 

[flying banana]

Its the principle.

I get tired of paying £500 / £800 / £122 / £33000 / £620 / £345 / £1100 / £456 / £3500 / £4899, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, on you worked 7 days, etc , etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,......... so was delighted to find out that the VED on a 3.8 ton motorhome is only £165 a year.

Just like most on here moan about dealer prices.

If I came to replace my 12year Volvo I would look to buy a second hand car with a £35 VED rate.

thats exactly what i did. 2016 Golf GTD. great cars. £35 tax. i found a 2016 plate manual with under 10k on the clock

 

[willwander]

thats exactly what i did. 2016 Golf GTD. great cars. £35 tax. i found a 2016 plate manual with under 10k on the clock

I’ve had the same golf GTD since 2008, 180k on the clock, just keeps going.

 

[sidepod]

I’ve had the same golf GTD since 2008, 180k on the clock, just keeps going.

Golf TDi club. Mk4 150PD. 278k on the clock. Unstoppable.