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Calling all new T6s - is your steering wheel straight?!

pjm-84

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They are susceptible to road camber
 
Alan Andrews

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yes mine is the same. It irritates me.

I plan to get a full 4 wheel alignment sometime.

Like others have said, I assumed that the wheels had been jolted sometime.
 
vmaxkiddy

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Our T5 is slightly out. Doesn't make any difference whicj side of the road it's on. Had it back for tracking three or four times without any improvement. Stopped worrying and don't really notice it any more and the tyre wear is OK. I have a hunch that they should perhaps be tracked with the power steering on?
Best to do tracking with engine running and steering wheel clamped straight ahead. Something to do with the steering angle sensor.
 
B J G

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After being told by my local dealer/supplier that " the rear axle isn't adjustable" I went elsewhere.
It took a few different (more expense) sources to get it just right. I found that the alignment data used by the Independent garages differed to the VW data sheet settings. VW had less toe in front and rear. A return visit visit to a local garage (very helpful) with the VW figures and an accurate setup has resulted in much lighter steering, more foot off the accelerator and needing to brake on downhill sections where none was necessary previously. Camber effect is there but only as would be expected.

I did find that some only adjust to within the tolerances which isn't what is being paid for. Old adage about the equipment only being as good as the operator applies.

The rear is just as important as the front in relation to settings.
 
Jabberwocky

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My steering is a bit wonky too! Has been since new.
Don't have any odd tyre wear and seems to make little or no difference when driving on either the left or right hand side of the road. Used to annoy me to start with (especially as we have a Skoda Yeti that drives as straight as an arrow - so VW group know the solution!) bt given up worrying - more important things to think about and get on with. (That's not to excuse VW)
 
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Hi Everyone

I have been pondering if I should ask about this or not but I thought what the hell...

Our new Ocean has come with the steering wheel not being straight compared to when the vehicle is travelling in a straight line. It's more like 2 or 3 minutes past (so slightly to the right).

Usually I'd have just put this down to either camber on the road or a minor factory thing and just got it tracked from a local alignment place. HOWEVER, the loan T6 TSI (was brand new when we got it) also had exactly the same steering wheel alignment issue.

So now I'm wondering if there is an issue at the factory with their alignment jig?

Anyone else had a new T6 in the recent crop had a steering whee alignment issue?

Thanks
 
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Hi,
I've had the same problem on our new California Beach (picked-up 1st March). I took it back to an approved service centre and the technician looked and tested it and said it was within tolerance. Even went for a test-run with me and just said it was the camber of the road. He said if I was driving in France it would turn the other way.

But when I've been on a road with a corresponding opposite camber, all that happens is that the steering-wheel is correctly positioned (i.e. looks/feels horizontal) and certainly isn't biased the other way. This confirms that it is slightly out.

Based on yours and others comments here, I'm going to take it back. It's annoying and a bit distracting. I thought I'd just live with it, but why after only having it a few months?

Thanks for prompting me to get it looked at again.
 
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Hi,
I've had the same problem on our new California Beach (picked-up 1st March). I took it back to an approved service centre and the technician looked and tested it and said it was within tolerance. Even went for a test-run with me and just said it was the camber of the road. He said if I was driving in France it would turn the other way.

But when I've been on a road with a corresponding opposite camber, all that happens is that the steering-wheel is correctly positioned (i.e. looks/feels horizontal) and certainly isn't biased the other way. This confirms that it is slightly out.

Based on yours and others comments here, I'm going to take it back. It's annoying and a bit distracting. I thought I'd just live with it, but why after only having it a few months?

Thanks for prompting me to get it looked at again.
 
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I also have a 2019 Beach collected last month and my steering wheel is slightly out of alignment when travelling straight.
Its not a camber issue, most vehicles via to the near side if the steering wheel is released the vehicle follows the roads natural drainage camber.
My wheel is not straight when holding under normal driving, if I straighten the wheel to dead ahead the vehicle is very slightly driving to the lefthandside.
To counter act this you have to hold the wheel off centre.
I did have the 30mm lowering kit fitted prior to delivery and wondered if alignment had been reset correctly.
Vehicle is booked in to be inspected, will let you know the outcome.
 
Luigi1

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I also have a 2019 Beach collected last month and my steering wheel is slightly out of alignment when travelling straight.
Its not a camber issue, most vehicles via to the near side if the steering wheel is released the vehicle follows the roads natural drainage camber.
My wheel is not straight when holding under normal driving, if I straighten the wheel to dead ahead the vehicle is very slightly driving to the lefthandside.
To counter act this you have to hold the wheel off centre.
I did have the 30mm lowering kit fitted prior to delivery and wondered if alignment had been reset correctly.
Vehicle is booked in to be inspected, will let you know the outcome.
 
Nick Stubbs

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Mine is slightly off as well, has been since we had it.
 
Luigi1

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Just got new Cali, 230 miles in I have noticed the above issue, steering wheel slightly to right of centre to keep van straight. If you move wheel to centre position it drifts to left.
Did anyone get a definitive answer?
It’s in to VW next week for a check but got the road camber spiel when first queried with dealership
 
pjm-84

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Seems to be a theme here. As the Cali is a high vehicle with weight in the roof then the camber of the road can affect it. My Mini was less affected by camber, my Landrover is more so.

I've had this recently following lowering and had it adjusted 3x by an independent. The last it was out by 0.3mm. If I drive on the other side of the road then the opposite affect occurs.
 
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Just got new Cali, 230 miles in I have noticed the above issue, steering wheel slightly to right of centre to keep van straight. If you move wheel to centre position it drifts to left.
Did anyone get a definitive answer?
It’s in to VW next week for a check but got the road camber spiel when first queried with dealership
I am booked in to Robinsons VW on 7th August to be inspected.
Having spent 30 plus years in the trade I'm looking for a qualified explanation why this is affecting these vehicles.
The normal route is if a customer complains of a fault which has no known available rectification then feed back is passed to the manufacturer to collate and instruct a repair or modification, it is not acceptable to have a steering wheel off centre.
The fact it's only slight makes it even more annoying, try driving 300 miles down a French motorway for hours with the wheel off centre it's no fun, and remember this is a 50k plus vehicle.
It is also not acceptable to be told its within specification, how many other vehicle have you driven with this fault, answer none!
I've arranged my appointment for me to demonstrate the fault with the technician, I plan to drive with the vehicle dead straight on a straight
road and watch his/ her reaction as we via to the kerb!
As a number of owners seem to be having a similar problem on 19 registered vehicles it may be a factory issue?
In my opion its definatly not a camber issue and shouldn't be confused as such, all vehicle follow road camber( slight incline on roads to allow water run off) this is purely incorrect alignment to top dead centre of steering wheel.
So on the 7th I have the pleasure of hours in a VW dealership, a day off work (self employed) and a three hour drive.
Hopefully I will not be treated like an idiot.
I will keep you informed
 
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This fault is not camber if you drive on the opposite side of the road- not recommended in the UK it would still via to the left, reason because the wheels aren't straight when the steering wheel is!
 
B J G

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I am booked in to Robinsons VW on 7th August to be inspected.
Having spent 30 plus years in the trade I'm looking for a qualified explanation why this is affecting these vehicles.
The normal route is if a customer complains of a fault which has no known available rectification then feed back is passed to the manufacturer to collate and instruct a repair or modification, it is not acceptable to have a steering wheel off centre.
The fact it's only slight makes it even more annoying, try driving 300 miles down a French motorway for hours with the wheel off centre it's no fun, and remember this is a 50k plus vehicle.
It is also not acceptable to be told its within specification, how many other vehicle have you driven with this fault, answer none!
I've arranged my appointment for me to demonstrate the fault with the technician, I plan to drive with the vehicle dead straight on a straight
road and watch his/ her reaction as we via to the kerb!
As a number of owners seem to be having a similar problem on 19 registered vehicles it may be a factory issue?
In my opion its definatly not a camber issue and shouldn't be confused as such, all vehicle follow road camber( slight incline on roads to allow water run off) this is purely incorrect alignment to top dead centre of steering wheel.
So on the 7th I have the pleasure of hours in a VW dealership, a day off work (self employed) and a three hour drive.
Hopefully I will not be treated like an idiot.
I will keep you informed
Robinson's P'boro? if yes that's the Dealer that told me that the rear isn't adjustable!

I got mine sorted finally at a Stamford Independent garage. Drives like a dream now in UK and France.
 
pjm-84

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Oddly mine is different. If I drive on the other side of the road my steering is the other way due to the camber of the road.

As such the camber of the road affects my steering. It does it on all my cars. Less so on the Mini JCW (which I no longer have)


Sorry only thing I could find.
 
Legin

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Drive down the crown of the road then the camber is neutral. I always do this when centring my steering. Four things affect the pulling. Road camber, unequal castor side to side, unequal camber side to side, tyre (mainly from wear due to toe). The tricky one and often missed one is the castor.
 

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