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Difference between 6.1 California 150hp and 204hp diesel drivetrains

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Awful lot of 150 owners justifying their purchase or intention to purchase . Just saying.
Always happy to take a pop at people with different views and then use the "stay on thread"response when called out on it.

As others have said before you are an amazing and helpful source of Cali knowledge, maybe leave out the "150 owners justifying their choices, just saying" replies. That was off thread.
 
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A lot of 204 owners trying to justify why they went 204 instead of 150. The argument is valid both ways.
There is no doubt the 204 pulls away better than the 150. The torque is much stronger. With the 204 is easier to overtake, pull a trailer uphill. It will get off quicker at the traffic light.
Question is, how do you drive and do you need so much performance, considering it is a camper van?
How many bhp do you regularly use?
On the Autobahn, I travel usually at 150km/h. The van would go faster, but having a wind out awning on the side and a bike rack at the back, doesn't make much sense. The brakes are the same 150/204 with the 17". So both will need to be able to stop and have the same brakes.
At 150km/h I am not using 150bhp. I'm using less.
I don't floor the gas pedal at the traffic light as I don't need to be as quick as possible. Again not using the full torque. 150/204 have same transmission and gearbox.
If I were to have to pull a trailer uphill on a regular basis I would need the full torque of the 150 and benefit from the much higher 204 torque, but that's not my case.
It would be interesting to know how many of the 204 owners regularly need all the available power.
The braking and cornering limits are the same on 150/204.

Apart from the extra turbo and components, I wouldn't be surprise if the cooling system was upgraded on the 204 vs the 150.
 
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Here as elsewhere, many want to convince (or convince themselves?) that their choice was the best choice.
I'm not sure many would have chosen a 150 hp if there wasn't a price difference between the two choices.
I have a 150 and I am very happy with it !
But it is true that if there had been no price difference I would have bought a 204 hp.
My reason was budget, it must be dared to say it.
 
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Here as elsewhere, many want to convince (or convince themselves?) that their choice was the best choice.
I'm not sure many would have chosen a 150 hp if there wasn't a price difference between the two choices.
I have a 150 and I am very happy with it !
But it is true that if there had been no price difference I would have bought a 204 hp.
My reason was budget, it must be dared to say it.

I bought second hand and would of loved 4x4 204bhp but settled for a lovely Blackberry 150bhp.

There wasn't much choice and it was based on what was available and budget.

There's no denying IMO that 4motion (with difflock) 204bhp is the daddy - but I've yet to get to stuck with my lowly 150bhp and it drives fine.

I think the tyres help a bit :)

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I'm still struggling to understand what the last 44 Posts have to do with the Original Question.

Are the 2 drivetrains the same with only different software mapping to increase power and torque?

or does the 204hp have different parts such as bigger turbos, exhaust configurations or gearbox/engine internals?
 
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I'm still struggling to understand what the last 44 Posts have to do with the Original Question.

Are the 2 drivetrains the same with only different software mapping to increase power and torque?

or does the 204hp have different parts such as bigger turbos, exhaust configurations or gearbox/engine internals?

Answer: No

The rest of the posts - opinion on 150 vs 204 by the owners. Still interesting though - but no need to struggle anymore :)
 
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I'm still struggling to understand what the last 44 Posts have to do with the Original Question.

Are the 2 drivetrains the same with only different software mapping to increase power and torque?

or does the 204hp have different parts such as bigger turbos, exhaust configurations or gearbox/engine internals?
You are 100% right. Post 3 onwards descended into the usual one is better than t'other. Standard forum banter.

One argument I've heard is that second turbo makes it even harder to access parts of the the engine bay, adding time and cost to maintenance. It's all good though as the 180/204 owners make up the time later at the traffic lights.
 
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Answer: No

The rest of the posts - opinion on 150 vs 204 by the owners. Still interesting though - but no need to struggle anymore :)
But it would be helpful if others could answer the original question with informative information/details.
 
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But it would be helpful if others could answer the original question with informative information/details.

Those that consider the 150 good enough have come to that conclusion because they don’t have the experience of the 204 engine.
#post26 sums it up quite accurately…
 
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If the argument is about speed then the speed limit in this country is 70 mph so not really much point in having a vehicle that travels at 140 + mph. On mainland Europe it’s about an extra 10 mph depending on the weather conditions. Why are so many obsessed with the BHP of a van. In the 70s I had a T2 combi. Top speed 45 mph (down hill) but it still go us there, well sometimes.
 
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If the argument is about speed then the speed limit in this country is 70 mph so not really much point in having a vehicle that travels at 140 + mph. On mainland Europe it’s about an extra 10 mph depending on the weather conditions. Why are so many obsessed with the BHP of a van. In the 70s I had a T2 combi. Top speed 45 mph (down hill) but it still go us there, well sometimes.

There is no argument about that.

They are different engines. And the original poster wanted to know the differences - which I'm pretty sure if he went online he could find the exact schematics for each engine and drivetrain and see the differences for himself.

Everyone else wants to justify their purchases which is fine. Some people want more power and if available will buy it.

If possible I would always buy an RS not just an S version of a car for example, but in my case for my van there was no choice as my budget would not cover the £10k premium for 4wd 204.

More power in my opinion is always better and 4wd vs 2wd is not even a contest.

However, if you want more power (which you clearly don't) it's ok! I will remap my van when it's out of warranty just for the increased torque and lower fuel consumption.

I always have remapped every vehicle I've owned.

However I will not be converting to 4wd... it would cost £10000s if it even can be done so I'm stuck with 2wd - but that's fine! I have Snow Chains and Socks and those have always got me out of any situation. It's just not as easy as built in 4motion.

If anyone wants to swap my 150 2wd for 204 4motion with Difflock PM me :)
 
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Drivetrain "Drivetrain - Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drivetrain

Wikipedia not necessarily authoritative but in this case the definition matches multiple sources.

If you're not discussing drivetrain then you should probably start a new topic.
 
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But it would be helpful if others could answer the original question with informative information/details.
This doc from @Loz on T6 forum cover some bits. Goes into turbo differences, also looks like Dual-Mass Flywheels, fuel pumps and injectors might be different.

It’s an interesting read anyhow.

 
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I'm still struggling to understand why VWUK doesn't give you the 4MO option with both engines, but that is also :offtopic;)
 
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The main reason I started the thread was because I thought it might be the same drivetrain, just different software mapping ..

and if that was the case, easy and much cheaper to get more power and torque - without having to go Ocean spec and spend circa £10k (my spec, not like for like as I wouldn't pay for many items on Coast that are standard on Ocean) more - with no additional risk of damage to drivetrain
 
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There is no argument about that.

They are different engines. And the original poster wanted to know the differences - which I'm pretty sure if he went online he could find the exact schematics for each engine and drivetrain and see the differences for himself.

Everyone else wants to justify their purchases which is fine. Some people want more power and if available will buy it.

If possible I would always buy an RS not just an S version of a car for example, but in my case for my van there was no choice as my budget would not cover the £10k premium for 4wd 204.

More power in my opinion is always better and 4wd vs 2wd is not even a contest.

However, if you want more power (which you clearly don't) it's ok! I will remap my van when it's out of warranty just for the increased torque and lower fuel consumption.

I always have remapped every vehicle I've owned.

However I will not be converting to 4wd... it would cost £10000s if it even can be done so I'm stuck with 2wd - but that's fine! I have Snow Chains and Socks and those have always got me out of any situation. It's just not as easy as built in 4motion.

If anyone wants to swap my 150 2wd for 204 4motion with Difflock PM me :)
So from what I said “I clearly dont” want more power? WRONG. I also have a Hayabusa used for touring a trackday R1 and a focus RS. I also have a “VW Camper van” which I use for going “camping”. And don’t use it round the Nurburgring. Remapping for more torque and better fuel consumption is great , but not screwing every BHP possible.
Everyone has a different view on what vehicle they want to own and what they want to do with it. The speed limit on UK roads is still 70 mph Maximum and on many roads now down to 50 mph.
 

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